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From: Alistair Maclean on 28 May 2010 17:05 On May 28, 3:27 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:37:37 +1200, in comp.lang.cobol "Pete Dashwood" > > <dashw...(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > >>> I find it discouraging when other people claim they "work in IT" > >>> simply because they are the only person in their department that > >>> writes Excel macros or keyboard macros to 'automate' some otherwise > >>> menial tasks. > > >It's a bit like someone claiming to be an astronaut because they once > >visited the Kennedy Space Centre... :-) > > Hmmm, at least have them be a pilot. Visiting the Kennedy Space > Center is more like turning on one's computer. > > (I was a pilot, and I've ridden the vomit comet, so let me make that > outrageous claim). > I presume they clean it between flights but I can't help but think that the stench of puke would persist. Does it smell? (the vomit comet and not puke).
From: Alistair Maclean on 28 May 2010 17:05 On May 28, 3:29 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:37:37 +1200, "Pete Dashwood" > > <dashw...(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > > >I was having a discussion with some other developers who use Microsoft > >Platforms and this question came up. Most of the guys who have been writing > >code for more than 10 years see no need to get certified. > > Although a fair amount are certifiable. > If I were paranoid I might think that you were getting at me.
From: Anonymous on 28 May 2010 20:43 In article <6bf51071-e107-41f6-aa30-332944ad8000(a)u7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>, Alistair Maclean <alistair.j.l.maclean(a)googlemail.com> wrote: [snip] >If I were paranoid I might think that you were getting at me. That's *just* what They want you to do, Mr Maclean. DD
From: Anonymous on 28 May 2010 21:14 In article <f1195542-841c-4daf-bb44-fa0db216a03f(a)c13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, Alistair Maclean <alistair.j.l.maclean(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >On May 28, 2:45?pm, docdw...(a)panix.com () wrote: >> In article <868vkhFvi...(a)mid.individual.net>, >> >> Pete Dashwood <dashw...(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: >> >SkippyPB wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >> I take pride in my programs but many of the >> >> younger folks I work with do not take pride in theirs. ?They don't >> >> care about efficiency of code; they don't care that they could easily >> >> reduce redundancy; they don't care if the 5 deep nested IF is hard to >> >> read etc. etc. >> >> [snip] >> >> >My personal belief about this is that is caused by the lack of self >> >discipline we see reflected in society. In countries like Israel where young >> >people do military service and learn, self-confidence, leadership and >> >discipline they go on to achieve more. Here in NZ we have a generation of >> >parents who never understood what discipline means (many people equate >> >discipline incorrectly with punishment) and so they over-indulge their kids >> >and we have a generation who expect to have everything they want, right now. >> >Consequently, we find people with credit card debt of ?tens of thousands of >> >dollars by the time they are in their mid-twenties, an expectation of >> >instant gratification, the attention span of a flea, and the attitude that >> >if something is difficult, move on to something else... >> >> Note, class, the reflective calls of species-reinforcement of the >> Grey-Chested Olde Farte, almost identical to those of the Golfcap-Sporting >> Hyperannuated Duffer. ?In such cases one member of the species asserts its >> identity by warbling a series of tones bemoaning the passing of the Oldene >> Dayse; the other member, in order to demonstrate the solidarity of kindred >> genetics, responds in a contrapunctal fashion and extends the first's >> melody to another set of conditions which both feel reinforces their own >> membership in what Durkheim called 'the we-group'. ?This is noted on page >> 125 of your text 'Gammers, Gaffers, Geezers and What You May Live Long >> Enough To Become'. >> >> While the specifics of the calls vary the tonality and >> concept-transmission remains remarkably constant, a 'Why, when *I* was a >> lad (situation) was (superior) and nowadays kids are too >> stupid/incompetent/lazy to sit down to defecate.' ?Examples of this >> behavior can be found in the works of Homer. > >Reference(s) please. The reference is plain, Mr Maclean. See Book V of the Iliad and notice the description of the stone lifted by the son of Tydeus. DD
From: SkippyPB on 29 May 2010 11:44
On Fri, 28 May 2010 08:23:50 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: > >>Who cares if you can't read the stuff if you don't have to? >>Who cares about efficiency when your wristwatch has more computing power >>than did the early space flights? > >One thing that I have in common with the young people - I don't wear a >wristwatch. I've got a phone in my pocket, so why do I need a watch >on my wrist? OH Howard, you are soooo modern ;) Regards, -- //// (o o) -oOO--(_)--OOo- "It's not getting any smarter out there, people. You have to come to terms with stupidity and make it work for you." -- Frank Zappa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remove nospam to email me. Steve |