From: John Kennaugh on
Bilge writes
> John Kennaugh:
> >Bilge writes
> >> harry:
> >
> >> >> The existence of an effect is not sufficient to infer a cause.
> >> >
> >> >I meant a cause in general. If you mean with "a cause", a specific
> >> >proposed cause, I agree. Or do you pretend that things may just happen
> >> >without any cause?
> >>
> >> Radioactive decay, Spontaneous emission, etc.
> >
> >What makes you think there is no cause simply because we do not
> >understand what it is?
>
> (1) Because the statistics are evidence _for_ a probabilistic process
> not merely a lack of knowing what the process is,
>
> (2) A probabilistic process makes a lot more physical sense than
> a determistic one.
>
> >We know that radioactive decay occurs at a quite
>
> Don't say ``we.'' What you know about any physics amounts to the
>material needed for one episode of sesame street.
>
> >precise rate for a massive number of atoms. This surely implies that
> >some condition in the individual atom has a precise chance of occurring.
>
> The fundamental ``chance of occuring'' to which you refer may be
>specified by 3 factors: (1)The coupling constant of the force responsible
>for the transition, (2) number of possible final states to which the
>initial state might make a transition, (3) the matrix elements between the
>initial and final states, otherwise known as conservation laws. The
>coupling constant determines the fundamental probability for an
>interaction. That means what you regard as a force is a probability of an
>interaction.
>
> >A one armed bandit pays out due to a cause - the wheels have lined up.
> >The fact that we are unable to predict when that happens does not
> >suggest that coins pour out without cause.
>
>
> Gee, why didn't I think of that... Oh. Wait a second. I _did_
>think of that. Long ago. It's just been a while since I've
>encountered that shallow argument. See
>
> www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

It comes up as unreadable.

>
>for details before posting the same strawman.
>

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