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From: Francis Glassborow on 23 Nov 2009 12:13
Erik wrote:
> White Wolf wrote:
>> I think that you have not much knowledge of C++. It seems I have to
>> guess my way through your post, because the terminology you use has
>> nothing to do with C++ and I don't know it from elsewhere either, so
>> your text need a little intuition to translate into something that
>> makes sense to me.
>
> You have worked quite hard on a very eloquent and
> nicely put together piece of help for someone that
> could have used it.
>
> HOWEVER, this is just troll crossposting to everywhere
> and you got caught in it.
>
> Given enough time, you'll learn to disregard the
> babbling idiots.

That is terribly condescending. This is a group for novices and very
often (especially if English is not their first language) their posts
are nearly incomprehensible. The fact that the OP cross-posted to a
fairly large number of groups is again symptomatic of the newbie.

Answering unknown posters who happen to be trolls is one of the risks we
take. I am not sure on the evidence that this one was a troll rather
than someone who found great difficulty in expressing himself.
From: Erik on 23 Nov 2009 12:33
Francis Glassborow wrote:
> That is terribly condescending. This is a group for novices and very
> often (especially if English is not their first language) their posts
> are nearly incomprehensible. The fact that the OP cross-posted to a
> fairly large number of groups is again symptomatic of the newbie.
>
> Answering unknown posters who happen to be trolls is one of the risks we
> take. I am not sure on the evidence that this one was a troll rather
> than someone who found great difficulty in expressing himself.

No, this is a habit of the OP, it is not a mistake
or a misunderstanding, it is a constant habit. He
realizes exactly what he's doing, he's just a troll.
He has regularly posted in NGs for the past few
years, he is no n00b.

It's no fault of the extraordinarily kind response
that was generated above, I was just letting him know.

I have no problem being condescending to OP troll.
No problem at all.
From: Erik on 23 Nov 2009 12:34
Francis Glassborow wrote:
> Erik wrote:
>> White Wolf wrote:
>>> I think that you have not much knowledge of C++. It seems I have to
>>> guess my way through your post, because the terminology you use has
>>> nothing to do with C++ and I don't know it from elsewhere either, so
>>> your text need a little intuition to translate into something that
>>> makes sense to me.
>>
>> You have worked quite hard on a very eloquent and
>> nicely put together piece of help for someone that
>> could have used it.
>>
>> HOWEVER, this is just troll crossposting to everywhere
>> and you got caught in it.
>>
>> Given enough time, you'll learn to disregard the
>> babbling idiots.
>
> That is terribly condescending. This is a group for novices and very
> often (especially if English is not their first language) their posts
> are nearly incomprehensible. The fact that the OP cross-posted to a
> fairly large number of groups is again symptomatic of the newbie.
>
> Answering unknown posters who happen to be trolls is one of the risks we
> take. I am not sure on the evidence that this one was a troll rather
> than someone who found great difficulty in expressing himself.

Oh, and this was a Borland/Codegear Delphi question posted
to a C++ newsgroup, as well. That's why the replier was
confused as to the syntax of the posted question.
From: White Wolf on 23 Nov 2009 19:32
Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> Francis Glassborow wrote:
>
>>> Given enough time, you'll learn to disregard the
>>> babbling idiots.
>> That is terribly condescending. This is a group for novices and very
>> often (especially if English is not their first language) their posts
>> are nearly incomprehensible.
>
> Sure, but Skybuck Flying is not a novice, he is an idiot who trolls
> these groups since I don't know when.

I have given a non-violent, non-emotional (once in my life I have
managed) answer to a confusing but IMHO valid post that represents a
likely newbie problem (newbie running alongside his false assumptions).
The problems the guy describes may be faced by any novice.

You and Erik vehemently oppose me answering the OP. Because that feeds
the troll. I have to disagree. If the OP is a troll, your off-topic,
kinda emotional posts are the ones feeding the troll. Erik has managed
to write 3 and trigger an additional 3 posts that are off-topic; at
least for the thread.

Even if the OP was a troll, answering him politely won't do any harm.
The answer, if at all helpful, may help those who are not trolling and
honestly looking for help.

However "troll alerts" of the kinds you guys made here sound a bit like
kindergarden. :) Perhaps it is better to do such "alerts" with proof:
with links (on Google Groups) to threads the person was trolling in.

If the OP is a troll, he won. He has got the 4 of us arguing, even
without writing a single additional post. :)

--
BR, WW
From: Richard Heathfield on 23 Nov 2009 22:44
In <dr-dnfkRXYEmX5fWnZ2dnUVZ7v6dnZ2d(a)bt.com>, Francis Glassborow
wrote:

> Erik wrote:
<snip>

>> Given enough time, you'll learn to disregard the
>> babbling idiots.
>
> That is terribly condescending.

On this occasion, it seems to be justified.

> This is a group for novices and very
> often (especially if English is not their first language) their
> posts are nearly incomprehensible. The fact that the OP cross-posted
> to a fairly large number of groups is again symptomatic of the
> newbie.

Except that, in this case, he's no newbie.

> Answering unknown posters who happen to be trolls is one of the
> risks we take. I am not sure on the evidence that this one was a
> troll rather than someone who found great difficulty in expressing
> himself.

Skybuck Flying is a known troll, going back years - in this group and
in others.

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