From: xazar on
On Mar 9, 10:48 am, Sue Morton <867-5...(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
> xazar wrote:
> > I use a midi controllor keyboard through a midisport uno usb cable
> > into a record enabled midi track in sonar. I then have the output from
> > that track fire a cakewalk soft synth such as TTS. While Sonar is in
> > play mode the delay between keytap and sound is negligible. When I
> > press record in Sonar the delay between keytap and sound immediately
> > becomes noticeable.
>
> > Danny
>
> Waiting to hear TTS-1 respond is audio latency not MIDI latency...
>
> What is your sound card or onboard sound module, that you are playing
> the audio back through?

I use two different soundcards depending on the situation and they
both produce the same latency, one is the onboard INTEL soundchip and
I use ASIO4all as a driver. The other is a USB interface by line 6
called toneport. Both worked seamlessly with Sonar 4 and both work
identically off in sonar 6.

Danny

From: xazar on
On Mar 9, 11:11 am, "Steve Karl" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> Disable the FX trails until you get the latency issue resolved.
>
>
>
> "xazar" <danny2...(a)optonline.net> wrote in messagenews:1173452453.308721.43850(a)64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >I use a midi controllor keyboard through a midisport uno usb cable
> > into a record enabled midi track in sonar. I then have the output from
> > that track fire a cakewalk soft synth such as TTS. While Sonar is in
> > play mode the delay between keytap and sound is negligible. When I
> > press record in Sonar the delay between keytap and sound immediately
> > becomes noticeable.
>
> > Danny
>
> > On Mar 9, 9:51 am, Sue Morton <867-5...(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
> >> xazar wrote:
> >> > I switched from Cubase to sonar 4 a long time ago because the MIDI
> >> > recording timing was ROCK SOLID, unlike the flaky Cubase. I have had
> >> > no problems whatsoever since. Now I made the plunge into Sonar 6 for
> >> > the audioSnap feature, which I am happy with but my MIDI recording had
> >> > deteriorated. I run on a dual processor XP machine with 2 gigs of RAM.
> >> > I switch between Asio4all and Line6_Toneport_Asio Drivers. Both
> >> > produce the same results. Latency reports at around 4 msec and that's
> >> > fine. Hit a key and the delay is indeed 4 msec, press play and play
> >> > along and it's all good. As soon as I hit record the latency jumps to
> >> > around 150 msec. Any ideas.
>
> >> > In Sonar audio options I have:
> >> > Read and write caching unchecked
> >> > Driver Mode Asio
> >> > Dither powr-3
> >> > Use multiproc engine
> >> > Play effect trails
> >> > Asio reported latency says 241 and I have it checked (Seems odd)
>
> >> > Hoping someone can help, Cakewalk hasn't.
>
> >> > Danny
>
> >> Latency for ASIO affects audio, not MIDI. When you say you are having
> >> trouble recording MIDI do you really mean you are recording a MIDI input
> >> stream, or are you recording audio output from a keyboard? Are you
> >> recording MIDI input but rendering it to a synth and hearing the audio
> >> from the synth?
>
> >> A little more details please on what exactly you are doing, using, what
> >> tracks are enabled and using what synths, effects, etc., please provide
> >> specific details about your project and setup.
>
> >> There is really no reason for Sonar 6 to behave any different than Sonar
> >> 4 on the same machine and same hardware, as far as I am aware.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I disabled the FX trails and will keep them disabled for now, good
idea.

Danny

From: Steve Karl on

"xazar" <danny2000(a)optonline.net> wrote in message news:1173457363.245583.35190(a)8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 9, 10:48 am, Sue Morton <867-5...(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
>> xazar wrote:
>> > I use a midi controllor keyboard through a midisport uno usb cable
>> > into a record enabled midi track in sonar. I then have the output from
>> > that track fire a cakewalk soft synth such as TTS. While Sonar is in
>> > play mode the delay between keytap and sound is negligible. When I
>> > press record in Sonar the delay between keytap and sound immediately
>> > becomes noticeable.
>>
>> > Danny
>>
>> Waiting to hear TTS-1 respond is audio latency not MIDI latency...
>>
>> What is your sound card or onboard sound module, that you are playing
>> the audio back through?
>
> I use two different soundcards depending on the situation and they
> both produce the same latency, one is the onboard INTEL soundchip and
> I use ASIO4all as a driver. The other is a USB interface by line 6
> called toneport. Both worked seamlessly with Sonar 4 and both work
> identically off in sonar 6.
>
> Danny

Can you try using WDM drivers?


From: xazar on
On Mar 9, 11:32 am, "Steve Karl" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> "xazar" <danny2...(a)optonline.net> wrote in messagenews:1173457363.245583.35190(a)8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 9, 10:48 am, Sue Morton <867-5...(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
> >> xazar wrote:
> >> > I use a midi controllor keyboard through a midisport uno usb cable
> >> > into a record enabled midi track in sonar. I then have the output from
> >> > that track fire a cakewalk soft synth such as TTS. While Sonar is in
> >> > play mode the delay between keytap and sound is negligible. When I
> >> > press record in Sonar the delay between keytap and sound immediately
> >> > becomes noticeable.
>
> >> > Danny
>
> >> Waiting to hear TTS-1 respond is audio latency not MIDI latency...
>
> >> What is your sound card or onboard sound module, that you are playing
> >> the audio back through?
>
> > I use two different soundcards depending on the situation and they
> > both produce the same latency, one is the onboard INTEL soundchip and
> > I use ASIO4all as a driver. The other is a USB interface by line 6
> > called toneport. Both worked seamlessly with Sonar 4 and both work
> > identically off in sonar 6.
>
> > Danny
>
> Can you try using WDM drivers?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks so much for your attention Steve ... I have switched driver
modes back and forth between asio and wdm/ks with no change.

Danny

From: Sue Morton on
xazar wrote:
> On Mar 9, 11:32 am, "Steve Karl" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>> "xazar" <danny2...(a)optonline.net> wrote in messagenews:1173457363.245583.35190(a)8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Mar 9, 10:48 am, Sue Morton <867-5...(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>> xazar wrote:
>>>>> I use a midi controllor keyboard through a midisport uno usb cable
>>>>> into a record enabled midi track in sonar. I then have the output from
>>>>> that track fire a cakewalk soft synth such as TTS. While Sonar is in
>>>>> play mode the delay between keytap and sound is negligible. When I
>>>>> press record in Sonar the delay between keytap and sound immediately
>>>>> becomes noticeable.
>>>>> Danny
>>>> Waiting to hear TTS-1 respond is audio latency not MIDI latency...
>>>> What is your sound card or onboard sound module, that you are playing
>>>> the audio back through?
>>> I use two different soundcards depending on the situation and they
>>> both produce the same latency, one is the onboard INTEL soundchip and
>>> I use ASIO4all as a driver. The other is a USB interface by line 6
>>> called toneport. Both worked seamlessly with Sonar 4 and both work
>>> identically off in sonar 6.
>>> Danny
>> Can you try using WDM drivers?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks so much for your attention Steve ... I have switched driver
> modes back and forth between asio and wdm/ks with no change.
>
> Danny
>
When you installed Sonar 6 did you answer "yes" to importing your
settings from Sonar 4? If you did, this may be your problem. Try this
procedure:

Close Sonar 6, find its AUD.INI file (it was in the Sonar6 programs
directory but with 6.2 patch it was moved into a subdirectory under
Documents and Settings, sorry don't have the exact path right at the
moment), rename AUD.INI to something else, launch Sonar and let it
reprofile your sound cards from scratch. Close Sonar and relaunch to
complete the profile, then make your required changest to use ASIO.
Turn input monitoring off. Close Sonar and relaunch. Check your
latency settings and try recording again.