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From: David W. Fenton on 9 May 2010 14:21 "Dirk Goldgar" <dg(a)NOdataSPAMgnostics.com.invalid> wrote in news:OKrgA8y7KHA.1316(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > "David W. Fenton" <XXXusenet(a)dfenton.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:Xns9D72BD8EE48F1f99a49ed1d0c49c5bbb2(a)74.209.136.100... > >> Not true. The newsgroups will continue to exist on other news >> servers. It's only msnews.microsoft.com that is being shut down. > > You make a good point. I remember years ago when Microsoft dropped ><microsoft.public.access> entirely, in favor of its subgroups, but >the group > wouldn't die and eventually they took it back under their wing. > >> That means that posts on the MS discussion website that were >> previously propagated to other news servers will no longer >> propagate outside MS, but, well, most of the good people in the >> Access newsgroups aren't posting through MS's news server or the >> crappy forum website. > > I'm not sure of this, though of course it depends on who you > consider "good people". I know I switched years ago from my ISP's > news server (back when they had one) to msnews.microsoft.com, > because my ISP only carried some of the posts. And now lots of > ISP's have dropped their own news servers, so many people have to > post either to Microsoft's server or else pay for use of a > commercial news server. My (unverified) impression from the MVPs > I know is that those who post heavily in the newsgroups are using > msnews. Well, one could figure that out by looking at the headers of their messages. There is free newsgroup access to text-based groups provided by Eternal September: http://www.eternal-september.org/ Their coverage is perfectly good (I have them set up and compare them to the MS news server and Newsguy.com, which is what I use as my main news server). I'm trying the NNTP Bridge for the MS forums, but it's pretty ugly. If you think the organization of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups was bad, you haven't seen anything. xNews couldn't deal with the non-ASCII content (did you know that none of the NNTP-related RFCs has ever allowed for high-ASCII, let alone Unicode?), so I'm right now downloading content with Thunderbird to see if it can handle it. Thunderbird is able to properly display the non-compliant content headers, but so far, I haven't found anything useful. I'll continue reporting as I work with it. -- David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/ usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |