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From: Sue Morton on 6 Apr 2010 21:40 Hi Peter, The OPT1 jumpering is to set 1.5G -- that is SATA I. Based on what you wrote, without jumpers the drives are at SATA II (3G). However, your BIOS is very likely set to access them as IDE and setting them to 1.5G can actually improve performance on some systems. Since you wrote you're using XP, I will tell you it is not for the faint of heart to get XP to use the drives in SATA 3G mode. The cluster size isn't a factor. Good luck with your tuning to get the system to run better, sounds like from your other posts you're on the right track. -- Sue Morton "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:dYIun.952$z%6.704(a)edtnps83... > Hi Sue > > Running win xp sp3 32 bit. Reaper 32, 16bit, 44,100hz. > > The drives are WD7501AALS Black caviar 750 GB,32megs cache. I'm using > the SATA cables that came with the MB and the HD say right on them > that "Master/Slave jumper not reqired for SATA". Although the > documentation says that as "OPT1", if you jumper pins 5 & 6, 1.5 Gb/s > data transfer speed activated. I have not done that, I guess I could > try it. I did format the second audio drive with larger (32k) > clusters. But, ya, I don't think thats the problem. > > Peter > > > "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message > news:hpfeia$qcj$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... >> Late to the party, sorry if I missed the answers to these questions: >> Peter are you runing XP, Vista, or Win7? 32-bit or 64-bit? service >> packs? etc. >> >> Also, are those WD's, SATA drives? Is your BIOS set to use them as >> SATA or IDE? If your I/O is as SATA devices, look for jumpers on >> those drives that hold them to SATA I specs and remove the jumpers if >> so. Not likely to be the issue for your pops/crackles, but will help >> with overall performance if they're being held back. Lots of drives >> are still being shipped jumpered to SATA I. >> -- >> Sue Morton >> >> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >> news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> 1000us is way high >>> ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home built >>> XP machine ... even if it's an internet box. >>> Just my opinion :-) >>> >>> My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) >>> ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes >>> running. >>> It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running >>> XP SP-1. >>> ABIT NF7-s mother board. >>> I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just >>> upping my latency slider >>> or freezing tracks. >>> >>> Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when >>> cutting tracks >>> and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about 11 >>> oe 12MS. >>> >>> ===================== >>> It's a tripple boot machine. >>> On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes >>> running >>> on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. >>> Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but I'd >>> never attempt anything >>> serious. >>> >>> If I had your problem I'd: >>> Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows >>> updates and earliest >>> SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser >>> newer than IE6. ... just audio software. >>> Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones >>> and audio software. >>> >>> GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio including >>> any on board audio, >>> wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. >>> Then retest. >>> If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something >>> (hardware) begging for too much attention. >>> >>> Just my opinion. >>> >>> Check with the pros over at the real forum. >>> Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. >>> >>> SK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>> news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >>>> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using >>>> hardly any memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio >>>> while emailing, browsing and running video, all the while with anti >>>> virus going. I would like to see how many proccesses are going on >>>> in those systems. >>>> >>>> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us >>>> latency. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> How many processes running in the background? >>>>> >>>>> Also run DPC checker >>>>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>>>> ... and report the findings. >>>>> >>>>> sk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>>>> >>>>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and >>>>>> I am using >>>>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan >>>>>> on >>>>>> installing as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my >>>>>> audio using >>>>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that >>>>>> the 2496 >>>>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci >>>>>> slots and no >>>>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, >>>>>> 17 or 18 >>>>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a >>>>>> pic showing >>>>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this >>>>>> post wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>>>> >>>>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can >>>>>> even force an >>>>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it >>>>>> where it >>>>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I >>>>>> feel like I >>>>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Peter Roussy on 7 Apr 2010 01:33 Thanks Sue. The hard drives are in IDE mode in the BIOS... PCH SATA Control Mode (Intel P55/H55 Chipset) Enables or disables RAID for the SATA controllers integrated in the Intel P55/H55 Chipset or configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. IDE Disables RAID for the SATA controllers and configures the SATA controllers to IDE mode. (Default) RAID (XHD) Enables RAID for the SATA controllers. AHCI Configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) is an interface specification that allows the storage driver to enable advanced Serial ATA features such as Native Command Queuing and hot plug. I tried AHCI but it gave me the blue screen and I'm not using a raid array so it seems like my only choice. Where's the best source of info for getting XP to run in 3G mode? Regards Peter "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:hpgnqq$1sq$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... > Hi Peter, > > The OPT1 jumpering is to set 1.5G -- that is SATA I. Based on what you > wrote, without jumpers the drives are at SATA II (3G). However, your BIOS > is very likely set to access them as IDE and setting them to 1.5G can > actually improve performance on some systems. Since you wrote you're > using XP, I will tell you it is not for the faint of heart to get XP to > use the drives in SATA 3G mode. The cluster size isn't a factor. > > Good luck with your tuning to get the system to run better, sounds like > from your other posts you're on the right track. > -- > Sue Morton > > "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:dYIun.952$z%6.704(a)edtnps83... >> Hi Sue >> >> Running win xp sp3 32 bit. Reaper 32, 16bit, 44,100hz. >> >> The drives are WD7501AALS Black caviar 750 GB,32megs cache. I'm using the >> SATA cables that came with the MB and the HD say right on them that >> "Master/Slave jumper not reqired for SATA". Although the documentation >> says that as "OPT1", if you jumper pins 5 & 6, 1.5 Gb/s data transfer >> speed activated. I have not done that, I guess I could try it. I did >> format the second audio drive with larger (32k) clusters. But, ya, I >> don't think thats the problem. >> >> Peter >> >> >> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message >> news:hpfeia$qcj$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... >>> Late to the party, sorry if I missed the answers to these questions: >>> Peter are you runing XP, Vista, or Win7? 32-bit or 64-bit? service >>> packs? etc. >>> >>> Also, are those WD's, SATA drives? Is your BIOS set to use them as SATA >>> or IDE? If your I/O is as SATA devices, look for jumpers on those >>> drives that hold them to SATA I specs and remove the jumpers if so. Not >>> likely to be the issue for your pops/crackles, but will help with >>> overall performance if they're being held back. Lots of drives are >>> still being shipped jumpered to SATA I. >>> -- >>> Sue Morton >>> >>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>> news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> 1000us is way high >>>> ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home built XP >>>> machine ... even if it's an internet box. >>>> Just my opinion :-) >>>> >>>> My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) >>>> ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes running. >>>> It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running XP >>>> SP-1. >>>> ABIT NF7-s mother board. >>>> I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just upping >>>> my latency slider >>>> or freezing tracks. >>>> >>>> Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when >>>> cutting tracks >>>> and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about 11 oe >>>> 12MS. >>>> >>>> ===================== >>>> It's a tripple boot machine. >>>> On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes running >>>> on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. >>>> Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but I'd >>>> never attempt anything >>>> serious. >>>> >>>> If I had your problem I'd: >>>> Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows updates >>>> and earliest >>>> SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser newer >>>> than IE6. ... just audio software. >>>> Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones and >>>> audio software. >>>> >>>> GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio including >>>> any on board audio, >>>> wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. >>>> Then retest. >>>> If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something (hardware) >>>> begging for too much attention. >>>> >>>> Just my opinion. >>>> >>>> Check with the pros over at the real forum. >>>> Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. >>>> >>>> SK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>> news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >>>>> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using hardly >>>>> any memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio while >>>>> emailing, browsing and running video, all the while with anti virus >>>>> going. I would like to see how many proccesses are going on in those >>>>> systems. >>>>> >>>>> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us latency. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> How many processes running in the background? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also run DPC checker >>>>>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>>>>> ... and report the findings. >>>>>> >>>>>> sk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>>>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>>>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>>>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>>>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>>>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>>>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>>>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and I >>>>>>> am using >>>>>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan on >>>>>>> installing as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my >>>>>>> audio using >>>>>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that the >>>>>>> 2496 >>>>>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci slots >>>>>>> and no >>>>>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, 17 >>>>>>> or 18 >>>>>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a pic >>>>>>> showing >>>>>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this >>>>>>> post wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can even >>>>>>> force an >>>>>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it >>>>>>> where it >>>>>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I feel >>>>>>> like I >>>>>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Sue Morton on 7 Apr 2010 09:06 It's not awful to hack XP but it does take some grief. That's why you got the blue screen, for whatever reason, all the drivers for XP are coded to only allow install when XP is installed, AND they don't allow you to keep IDE mode. Meaning, if you install XP with AHCI mode for SATA, and you switch your BIOS to IDE, you'll blue screen on that one instead. Dumb. Since you've got the intel chipset you could try my hack, it will be slightly different information than what I posted here (I had ICH9/ICH9R chipset at the time, I believe your P55/H55 is ICH10/ICH10R not positive though you'll need to look it up). I tried for Scott (Organfreak) to come up with a hack for the nVidia chipset equivalent for his system, but since I don't have an nVidia system I couldn't actually make one work I could only point him to info I found. You can use Google to look at the archives from this group. I posted a lengthy instruction list for hacking XP with Intel Matrix Storage Drivers for AHCI, so you can have both options in BIOS -- AHCI and IDE. You'll need both if you use imaging software like Acronis for your OS partition. Not for backup, but for restore of OS. You'll have to 'play games' between IDE and AHCI drivers and BIOS modes to get your OS restored. You can try googling 'hack XP intel matrix storage ICH10R' (or whatever your SATA chipset is) and find similar instructions. I messed with quite a few internet posts which did not work correctly, until I hit on a combination of them that worked for me. It's since worked for every system I've used it on. If you can't find a post on the internet or find mine in the archives, let me know, I can post my info again. Keep in mind you'll have some research and changes to make, to adapt it to your specific chipset. Some folk here have posted that they tried the AHCI mode, and saw no difference with it. I can't comment on their experiences as I don't know what they did/didn't do, and what their drives and BIOS were capable of. My own experience is a significant improvement in the performance of the drives -- provided the drives support native command queueing (AFAIK all current SATA 3G drives do). I also think if you've only got one or two drives there might not be a huge advantage, since internal transfers is where it shows up. It won't change anything for internet or external drives as the IDE mode is faster than most of those pipelines anyway. For example, my 'big' XP SP3 32-bit system has 12 1T SATA 3G disks (all formatted at 4096 cluster size, nothing bigger as for me the bigger cluster size has not helped and in some cases has caused problems. YMMV). There is a definite and noticeable improvement in disk I/O speed. I can transfer files of several gigs in size between disks and the transfer is done almost instantly, I hardly see the 'copying...' box come up and it's gone. When I run it in IDE mode it feels very sluggish. NOTE that most hard disk measurement utilities do not 'understand' AHCI and report some very odd numbers, you'll need to rely on on wall clock time and not the Mbit throughput numbers they report. Unless you know for a fact the utility handles AHCI mode correctly during measurement. Also NOTE that the AHCI drivers and using AHCI mode vs. IDE compatible mode, only affect how the system interacts with the disk hardware. There is no bearing on the format of the disk, the OS installed, data, nothing in that regard. The disk can be freely switched between IDE and AHCI as long as the BIOS and OS drivers are appropriate for the mode. FWIW running the DPC latency checker program for the last hour while working on this post and doing other normal tasks on this system, hovers around 76-140 micro seconds and hitting a max of 215 micro seconds so far. I've got 48-52 processes running, doing a little audio mixing (Reaper), email, newsgroups, internet, and also VPN'd in to my employer's network and running Remote Desktop on 3-5 Windows Server 2008 hardware machines or vitual machines at a time. This system is a Core 2 Duo E6850 (3.0ghz) with 1333mhz FSB and 2G of DDR3 memory running at 1333mhz in dual channel mode. As mentioned, it's intel ICH9R chipset, onboard sound is disabled (I use a Lynx card instead), it has no onboard graphics (I use a crossfire HD graphics card pair with 512M DDR3 memory each. I don't do much with graphics so this card pair is well beyond anything I need.) Just a note about PC performance in my own experience. A certain amount of muscle is going to be required for a PC. But beyond that I've found a very careful matching of components and drivers will yield much higher performance than just 'compatible' components. Of course that's a lot of work to research, and there's still a certain amount of luck involved! The resulting system is likely to be more expensive at the outset too. I paid some 25-30% more for this system back when I assembled it, compared to home-built systems with similar specs. But it's almost four years old now, and still handles everything I want to do and without delay. Until I have a new requirement for this machine, for which this spec is underpowered, or if some component fails that cannot be replaced with 'like' component, this system should serve me quite efficiently for some time yet, for its intended purposes. Just some info for your consideration, when you're faced with your *next* build some years down the road :-) You should be able to tweak your new system at least as good as the specs on this box, and likely far beyond them. -- Sue Morton "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:mOUun.1084$Z6.180(a)edtnps82... > Thanks Sue. > > The hard drives are in IDE mode in the BIOS... > > PCH SATA Control Mode (Intel P55/H55 Chipset) > > Enables or disables RAID for the SATA controllers integrated in the > Intel P55/H55 Chipset or configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. > > > > IDE Disables RAID for the SATA controllers and configures the SATA > controllers to IDE mode. (Default) > > > > RAID (XHD) Enables RAID for the SATA controllers. > > > > AHCI Configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. Advanced Host > Controller Interface (AHCI) is an interface specification that allows > the storage driver to enable advanced Serial ATA features such as > Native Command Queuing and hot plug. > > > > I tried AHCI but it gave me the blue screen and I'm not using a raid > array so it seems like my only choice. Where's the best source of info > for getting XP to run in 3G mode? > > > > Regards > > Peter > > "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message > news:hpgnqq$1sq$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... > >> Hi Peter, >> >> The OPT1 jumpering is to set 1.5G -- that is SATA I. Based on what >> you wrote, without jumpers the drives are at SATA II (3G). However, >> your BIOS is very likely set to access them as IDE and setting them >> to 1.5G can actually improve performance on some systems. Since you >> wrote you're using XP, I will tell you it is not for the faint of >> heart to get XP to use the drives in SATA 3G mode. The cluster size >> isn't a factor. >> >> Good luck with your tuning to get the system to run better, sounds >> like from your other posts you're on the right track. >> -- >> Sue Morton >> >> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >> news:dYIun.952$z%6.704(a)edtnps83... >>> Hi Sue >>> >>> Running win xp sp3 32 bit. Reaper 32, 16bit, 44,100hz. >>> >>> The drives are WD7501AALS Black caviar 750 GB,32megs cache. I'm >>> using the SATA cables that came with the MB and the HD say right on >>> them that "Master/Slave jumper not reqired for SATA". Although the >>> documentation says that as "OPT1", if you jumper pins 5 & 6, 1.5 >>> Gb/s data transfer speed activated. I have not done that, I guess I >>> could try it. I did format the second audio drive with larger (32k) >>> clusters. But, ya, I don't think thats the problem. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:hpfeia$qcj$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... >>>> Late to the party, sorry if I missed the answers to these >>>> questions: Peter are you runing XP, Vista, or Win7? 32-bit or >>>> 64-bit? service packs? etc. >>>> >>>> Also, are those WD's, SATA drives? Is your BIOS set to use them as >>>> SATA or IDE? If your I/O is as SATA devices, look for jumpers on >>>> those drives that hold them to SATA I specs and remove the jumpers >>>> if so. Not likely to be the issue for your pops/crackles, but will >>>> help with overall performance if they're being held back. Lots of >>>> drives are still being shipped jumpered to SATA I. >>>> -- >>>> Sue Morton >>>> >>>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> 1000us is way high >>>>> ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home >>>>> built XP machine ... even if it's an internet box. >>>>> Just my opinion :-) >>>>> >>>>> My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) >>>>> ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes >>>>> running. >>>>> It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running >>>>> XP SP-1. >>>>> ABIT NF7-s mother board. >>>>> I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just >>>>> upping my latency slider >>>>> or freezing tracks. >>>>> >>>>> Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when >>>>> cutting tracks >>>>> and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about >>>>> 11 oe 12MS. >>>>> >>>>> ===================== >>>>> It's a tripple boot machine. >>>>> On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes >>>>> running >>>>> on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. >>>>> Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but >>>>> I'd never attempt anything >>>>> serious. >>>>> >>>>> If I had your problem I'd: >>>>> Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows >>>>> updates and earliest >>>>> SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser >>>>> newer than IE6. ... just audio software. >>>>> Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones >>>>> and audio software. >>>>> >>>>> GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio >>>>> including any on board audio, >>>>> wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. >>>>> Then retest. >>>>> If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something >>>>> (hardware) begging for too much attention. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> Check with the pros over at the real forum. >>>>> Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. >>>>> >>>>> SK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >>>>>> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using >>>>>> hardly any memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio >>>>>> while emailing, browsing and running video, all the while with >>>>>> anti virus going. I would like to see how many proccesses are >>>>>> going on in those systems. >>>>>> >>>>>> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us >>>>>> latency. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> How many processes running in the background? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also run DPC checker >>>>>>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>>>>>> ... and report the findings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>>>>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>>>>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>>>>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>>>>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>>>>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>>>>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>>>>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 >>>>>>>> and I am using >>>>>>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> installing as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my >>>>>>>> audio using >>>>>>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found >>>>>>>> that the 2496 >>>>>>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci >>>>>>>> slots and no >>>>>>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ >>>>>>>> 16, 17 or 18 >>>>>>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached >>>>>>>> a pic showing >>>>>>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, >>>>>>>> this post wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can >>>>>>>> even force an >>>>>>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load >>>>>>>> it where it >>>>>>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I >>>>>>>> feel like I >>>>>>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Peter Roussy on 7 Apr 2010 11:18 Wow. Thanks for all that info. You have attained some very fast transfer speeds in that machine. I did a little reading on the SATA specs and I'll wait and see if I even need it. And as far as going forward, I'm sure I'll be using a different operating system by then. Windows 7 handles AHCI natively right? The sustain throughput of these drives is just over 100MB/s and that's not even SATA 1. I like things to be efficient but at the end of the day, if it gets the job done... thanks again Peter "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:hpi004$svr$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... > It's not awful to hack XP but it does take some grief. That's why you got > the blue screen, for whatever reason, all the drivers for XP are coded to > only allow install when XP is installed, AND they don't allow you to keep > IDE mode. Meaning, if you install XP with AHCI mode for SATA, and you > switch your BIOS to IDE, you'll blue screen on that one instead. Dumb. > > Since you've got the intel chipset you could try my hack, it will be > slightly different information than what I posted here (I had ICH9/ICH9R > chipset at the time, I believe your P55/H55 is ICH10/ICH10R not positive > though you'll need to look it up). I tried for Scott (Organfreak) to come > up with a hack for the nVidia chipset equivalent for his system, but since > I don't have an nVidia system I couldn't actually make one work I could > only point him to info I found. > > You can use Google to look at the archives from this group. I posted a > lengthy instruction list for hacking XP with Intel Matrix Storage Drivers > for AHCI, so you can have both options in BIOS -- AHCI and IDE. You'll > need both if you use imaging software like Acronis for your OS partition. > Not for backup, but for restore of OS. You'll have to 'play games' > between IDE and AHCI drivers and BIOS modes to get your OS restored. > > You can try googling 'hack XP intel matrix storage ICH10R' (or whatever > your SATA chipset is) and find similar instructions. I messed with quite > a few internet posts which did not work correctly, until I hit on a > combination of them that worked for me. It's since worked for every > system I've used it on. > > If you can't find a post on the internet or find mine in the archives, let > me know, I can post my info again. Keep in mind you'll have some research > and changes to make, to adapt it to your specific chipset. > > Some folk here have posted that they tried the AHCI mode, and saw no > difference with it. I can't comment on their experiences as I don't know > what they did/didn't do, and what their drives and BIOS were capable of. > > My own experience is a significant improvement in the performance of the > drives -- provided the drives support native command queueing (AFAIK all > current SATA 3G drives do). I also think if you've only got one or two > drives there might not be a huge advantage, since internal transfers is > where it shows up. It won't change anything for internet or external > drives as the IDE mode is faster than most of those pipelines anyway. > > For example, my 'big' XP SP3 32-bit system has 12 1T SATA 3G disks (all > formatted at 4096 cluster size, nothing bigger as for me the bigger > cluster size has not helped and in some cases has caused problems. YMMV). > There is a definite and noticeable improvement in disk I/O speed. I can > transfer files of several gigs in size between disks and the transfer is > done almost instantly, I hardly see the 'copying...' box come up and it's > gone. When I run it in IDE mode it feels very sluggish. > > NOTE that most hard disk measurement utilities do not 'understand' AHCI > and report some very odd numbers, you'll need to rely on on wall clock > time and not the Mbit throughput numbers they report. Unless you know for > a fact the utility handles AHCI mode correctly during measurement. > > Also NOTE that the AHCI drivers and using AHCI mode vs. IDE compatible > mode, only affect how the system interacts with the disk hardware. There > is no bearing on the format of the disk, the OS installed, data, nothing > in that regard. The disk can be freely switched between IDE and AHCI as > long as the BIOS and OS drivers are appropriate for the mode. > > > FWIW running the DPC latency checker program for the last hour while > working on this post and doing other normal tasks on this system, hovers > around 76-140 micro seconds and hitting a max of 215 micro seconds so far. > I've got 48-52 processes running, doing a little audio mixing (Reaper), > email, newsgroups, internet, and also VPN'd in to my employer's network > and running Remote Desktop on 3-5 Windows Server 2008 hardware machines or > vitual machines at a time. > > This system is a Core 2 Duo E6850 (3.0ghz) with 1333mhz FSB and 2G of DDR3 > memory running at 1333mhz in dual channel mode. As mentioned, it's intel > ICH9R chipset, onboard sound is disabled (I use a Lynx card instead), it > has no onboard graphics (I use a crossfire HD graphics card pair with 512M > DDR3 memory each. I don't do much with graphics so this card pair is well > beyond anything I need.) > > > Just a note about PC performance in my own experience. A certain amount > of muscle is going to be required for a PC. But beyond that I've found a > very careful matching of components and drivers will yield much higher > performance than just 'compatible' components. Of course that's a lot of > work to research, and there's still a certain amount of luck involved! > The resulting system is likely to be more expensive at the outset too. I > paid some 25-30% more for this system back when I assembled it, compared > to home-built systems with similar specs. But it's almost four years old > now, and still handles everything I want to do and without delay. Until I > have a new requirement for this machine, for which this spec is > underpowered, or if some component fails that cannot be replaced with > 'like' component, this system should serve me quite efficiently for some > time yet, for its intended purposes. > > Just some info for your consideration, when you're faced with your *next* > build some years down the road :-) You should be able to tweak your new > system at least as good as the specs on this box, and likely far beyond > them. > -- > Sue Morton > > > "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:mOUun.1084$Z6.180(a)edtnps82... >> Thanks Sue. >> >> The hard drives are in IDE mode in the BIOS... >> >> PCH SATA Control Mode (Intel P55/H55 Chipset) >> >> Enables or disables RAID for the SATA controllers integrated in the Intel >> P55/H55 Chipset or configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. >> >> >> >> IDE Disables RAID for the SATA controllers and configures the SATA >> controllers to IDE mode. (Default) >> >> >> >> RAID (XHD) Enables RAID for the SATA controllers. >> >> >> >> AHCI Configures the SATA controllers to AHCI mode. Advanced Host >> Controller Interface (AHCI) is an interface specification that allows the >> storage driver to enable advanced Serial ATA features such as Native >> Command Queuing and hot plug. >> >> >> >> I tried AHCI but it gave me the blue screen and I'm not using a raid >> array so it seems like my only choice. Where's the best source of info >> for getting XP to run in 3G mode? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message >> news:hpgnqq$1sq$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... >> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> The OPT1 jumpering is to set 1.5G -- that is SATA I. Based on what you >>> wrote, without jumpers the drives are at SATA II (3G). However, your >>> BIOS is very likely set to access them as IDE and setting them to 1.5G >>> can actually improve performance on some systems. Since you wrote >>> you're using XP, I will tell you it is not for the faint of heart to get >>> XP to use the drives in SATA 3G mode. The cluster size isn't a factor. >>> >>> Good luck with your tuning to get the system to run better, sounds like >>> from your other posts you're on the right track. >>> -- >>> Sue Morton >>> >>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>> news:dYIun.952$z%6.704(a)edtnps83... >>>> Hi Sue >>>> >>>> Running win xp sp3 32 bit. Reaper 32, 16bit, 44,100hz. >>>> >>>> The drives are WD7501AALS Black caviar 750 GB,32megs cache. I'm using >>>> the SATA cables that came with the MB and the HD say right on them that >>>> "Master/Slave jumper not reqired for SATA". Although the documentation >>>> says that as "OPT1", if you jumper pins 5 & 6, 1.5 Gb/s data transfer >>>> speed activated. I have not done that, I guess I could try it. I did >>>> format the second audio drive with larger (32k) clusters. But, ya, I >>>> don't think thats the problem. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:hpfeia$qcj$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... >>>>> Late to the party, sorry if I missed the answers to these questions: >>>>> Peter are you runing XP, Vista, or Win7? 32-bit or 64-bit? service >>>>> packs? etc. >>>>> >>>>> Also, are those WD's, SATA drives? Is your BIOS set to use them as >>>>> SATA or IDE? If your I/O is as SATA devices, look for jumpers on >>>>> those drives that hold them to SATA I specs and remove the jumpers if >>>>> so. Not likely to be the issue for your pops/crackles, but will help >>>>> with overall performance if they're being held back. Lots of drives >>>>> are still being shipped jumpered to SATA I. >>>>> -- >>>>> Sue Morton >>>>> >>>>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> 1000us is way high >>>>>> ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home built >>>>>> XP machine ... even if it's an internet box. >>>>>> Just my opinion :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) >>>>>> ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes >>>>>> running. >>>>>> It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running XP >>>>>> SP-1. >>>>>> ABIT NF7-s mother board. >>>>>> I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just upping >>>>>> my latency slider >>>>>> or freezing tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when >>>>>> cutting tracks >>>>>> and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about 11 >>>>>> oe 12MS. >>>>>> >>>>>> ===================== >>>>>> It's a tripple boot machine. >>>>>> On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes >>>>>> running >>>>>> on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. >>>>>> Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but I'd >>>>>> never attempt anything >>>>>> serious. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I had your problem I'd: >>>>>> Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows >>>>>> updates and earliest >>>>>> SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser newer >>>>>> than IE6. ... just audio software. >>>>>> Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones and >>>>>> audio software. >>>>>> >>>>>> GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio including >>>>>> any on board audio, >>>>>> wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. >>>>>> Then retest. >>>>>> If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something >>>>>> (hardware) begging for too much attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Check with the pros over at the real forum. >>>>>> Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. >>>>>> >>>>>> SK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >>>>>>> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using hardly >>>>>>> any memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio while >>>>>>> emailing, browsing and running video, all the while with anti virus >>>>>>> going. I would like to see how many proccesses are going on in those >>>>>>> systems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us >>>>>>> latency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> How many processes running in the background? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also run DPC checker >>>>>>>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>>>>>>> ... and report the findings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>>>>>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>>>>>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>>>>>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>>>>>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>>>>>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>>>>>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>>>>>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and I >>>>>>>>> am using >>>>>>>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan on >>>>>>>>> installing as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my >>>>>>>>> audio using >>>>>>>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that >>>>>>>>> the 2496 >>>>>>>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci slots >>>>>>>>> and no >>>>>>>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, >>>>>>>>> 17 or 18 >>>>>>>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a >>>>>>>>> pic showing >>>>>>>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this >>>>>>>>> post wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can >>>>>>>>> even force an >>>>>>>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it >>>>>>>>> where it >>>>>>>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I feel >>>>>>>>> like I >>>>>>>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: kitekrazy on 8 Apr 2010 20:47
On 4/5/2010 8:45 PM, Peter Roussy wrote: > So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. > > Basic Ark case and P/S > Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard > Intel i5 750 chip > 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram > (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives > GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) > 22" Hannspree monitor > LG DVD RW drive > > I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and I am using > a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan on > installing as well. > > With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my audio using > reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that the 2496 > card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci slots and no > matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, 17 or 18 > and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a pic showing > the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this post > wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) > > Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can even force an > IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it where it > wants to using ACPI. > > Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I feel like I > just wasted a lot of money for nothin. > > Thanks > > Pete > > > Go with Windows 7. It's a much better OS than XP. You're wasting new hardware on a 10 year old OS. |