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From: Tom Scales on 6 Mar 2010 05:26 > -----Original Message----- > From: Star@*.* [mailto:Star@*.*] > Posted At: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:08 PM > Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell > Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! > Subject: Re: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:35:09 -0600, "Tom Scales" <tjscales(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Daddy [mailto:daddy(a)invalid.invalid] > >> Posted At: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:19 PM > >> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell > >> Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! > >> Subject: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! > >> > >> Attention All: > >> > >> Dell was the last of the major OEMs to furnish a genuine Windows > >> install > >> disc (albeit an OEM version) as well as a Resource DVD. > >> > >> Not any more. > >> > >> "Dell no longer provides the operating system or resource disks in > the > >> box for Windows 7 Systems. It is important for you to create > recovery > >> disks in case of a hard drive failure. If you do not create the > >> recovery > >> disks, there may be a charge from Dell for the operating system > >> recovery > >> media." > >> Daddy > > > > > >I've purchased three Dell laptops in the last three months from Best > >Buy, including one about 10 days ago. > > > >All came with full Windows CDs. Not sure about the link or what > >machines they're talking about. > > You can be sure the machines were from older stock. This would explain > why you got all the disks. > > Art I don't think they were from older stock. Absolutely the most current model with Windows 7 preinstalled.
From: RnR on 6 Mar 2010 07:44 On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:57:06 -0500, Daddy <daddy(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Tom Scales wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: William R. Walsh [mailto:wm_walsh(a)hotmail.com] >>> Posted At: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:36 AM >>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell >>> Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>> Subject: Re: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>>> You bought a computer from Best Buy? >>> Ben said it very well. If you know exactly what you want (and maybe if >>> they've got a good deal going), and what you're getting, there's no >>> problem buying from there. And that includes computers. >>> >>> Just ignore the 'Geek Squad', extended warranties (unless there is an >>> absolutely screaming good deal on one) and anything else, get what you >>> want and get out. >>> >>> Best Buy and related stores do very well when you need something *now* >>> as well. >>> >>> William >> >> >> I went to Best Buy two days before Christmas to buy their sale laptop. >> EVERY SINGLE Dell laptop on the floor had a 'sticker' that said they had >> done something extra (virus software, etc), adding to the price. The >> sales guy said that was all they had. >> >> I demanded a manager who magically found one that was 'bare' that was >> kept in the back and the sales people weren't allowed in the back. >> >> Pissed me off. >> >> They avoided, barely, a BBB complaint. >> >> That said, it was a good price on what I wanted in a timeframe that >> worked. >> > >Ah yes. > > From The Consumerist: > >"Best Buy Optimization is a Big Stupid Annoying Waste of Money >http://consumerist.com/2010/01/consumerist-investigation-best-buy-optimization-is-a-big-stupid-annoying-waste-of-money.html > >I appreciate that the margins on electronics are very thin, so Best Buy >(and others) need to find other revenue sources. That's fair...they're >allowed to make money. What's not fair is when they do it behind our backs. > >Daddy Or as I've heard before and likely you did too.... "read the fine print" . I've never been a big fan of Bestbuy and this just reinforces my reasons. I do feel sorry tho for the poor shopper who knows little about computers and buys into their bs. And I appreciate this info because I can warn one of my inlaws currently shopping for a laptop. But now that I think about this I wish they wouldn't because I just have a feeling I'll be getting a call for free support :( .... maybe that explains to you why I have experiences you don't have in an earlier post of yours.
From: Ben Myers on 6 Mar 2010 08:03 On 3/6/2010 2:20 AM, Daddy wrote: > Tom Scales wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Daddy [mailto:daddy(a)invalid.invalid] >>> Posted At: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:43 AM >>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell >>> Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>> Subject: Re: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>> >>> Tom Scales wrote: >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Daddy [mailto:daddy(a)invalid.invalid] >>>>> Posted At: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:19 PM >>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell >>>>> Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>>>> Subject: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>>>> >>>>> Attention All: >>>>> >>>>> Dell was the last of the major OEMs to furnish a genuine Windows >>>>> install >>>>> disc (albeit an OEM version) as well as a Resource DVD. >>>>> >>>>> Not any more. >>>>> >>>>> "Dell no longer provides the operating system or resource disks in >>> the >>>>> box for Windows 7 Systems. It is important for you to create >>> recovery >>>>> disks in case of a hard drive failure. If you do not create the >>>>> recovery >>>>> disks, there may be a charge from Dell for the operating system >>>>> recovery >>>>> media." >>>>> >>>>> >> https://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/documen >>>>> t?c=us&cs=19&docid=62A668E1C399857AE040AE0AB8E12942&l=en&s=dhs >>>>> >>>>> Now I'll admit that "Dell DataSafe Local Backup 2.0" is an >>> impressive >>>>> piece of work. But it's not a Windows disc. >>>>> >>>>> And for those of you who are concerned about how this will affect >> my >>>>> recent order of a Studio XPS 8100...essentially, no one...I'm >>>>> negotiating with Dell. I placed my order just 8 days after this >>>> article >>>>> was first published. >>>>> >>>>> Daddy >>>> >>>> I've purchased three Dell laptops in the last three months from Best >>>> Buy, including one about 10 days ago. >>>> >>>> All came with full Windows CDs. Not sure about the link or what >>>> machines they're talking about. >>>> >>> Best Buy can make its own arrangements with Dell. >>> >>> You bought a computer from Best Buy? >>> >>> Daddy >> >> >> Sure. Their sale prices are actually pretty good. >> > > Alright. > > I wonder: What is the big deal about not including a Windows disk? What > made the OEMs stop including one with their PCs? > > Is it an issue of support? Maybe the OEMs don't want to have to deal > with people who mess up their computers by (mis)using their Windows > disc? Or maybe they don't want their script-reading support techs to > walk people through re-installing Windows -- something neither party > really understands? > > I don't know about that. In the first place, Dell has no warranty > obligation if I mess up my computer by playing with Windows. And they > can always tell their script-readers that re-installing Windows is not > supported so you're not allowed to advise doing so. > > Or maybe it's big bad Microsoft trying to cut down on the number of > Windows discs in circulation, as a way of to combat 'piracy'? > > Daddy Why no Windows DVD/CD? If you don't pack one in the box, it is one less item on the pick less, one less task for the packer to do, one less DVD/CD to have duplicated a zillion times. Add up all the pennies saved, and it is pennies earned. Ka-ching. Whether to include or not include a Windows DVD/CD in the box may also be influenced by contracts with Microsoft to distribute various flavors of Windows. After all, if the Windows DVD/CD is not in the box and something goes way wrong, anything, the owner does not have the conveneient wherewithal to do a repair. More "broken" and non-functional computers means more of them for the landfill, and more replacements sold. Ka-ching for Micro$oft. Ka-ching for the OEM. Everyone is a winner, except the buyer of the computer. Microsoft makes enough obstacles against piracy with its product activation, WGA, ad nauseam. But, the real pirates are never stopped. It's all about the Benjamins, but not me... Ben Myers
From: Daddy on 6 Mar 2010 17:35 RnR wrote: > On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:57:06 -0500, Daddy <daddy(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Tom Scales wrote: >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: William R. Walsh [mailto:wm_walsh(a)hotmail.com] >>>> Posted At: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:36 AM >>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell >>>> Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>>> Subject: Re: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>>> You bought a computer from Best Buy? >>>> Ben said it very well. If you know exactly what you want (and maybe if >>>> they've got a good deal going), and what you're getting, there's no >>>> problem buying from there. And that includes computers. >>>> >>>> Just ignore the 'Geek Squad', extended warranties (unless there is an >>>> absolutely screaming good deal on one) and anything else, get what you >>>> want and get out. >>>> >>>> Best Buy and related stores do very well when you need something *now* >>>> as well. >>>> >>>> William >>> >>> I went to Best Buy two days before Christmas to buy their sale laptop. >>> EVERY SINGLE Dell laptop on the floor had a 'sticker' that said they had >>> done something extra (virus software, etc), adding to the price. The >>> sales guy said that was all they had. >>> >>> I demanded a manager who magically found one that was 'bare' that was >>> kept in the back and the sales people weren't allowed in the back. >>> >>> Pissed me off. >>> >>> They avoided, barely, a BBB complaint. >>> >>> That said, it was a good price on what I wanted in a timeframe that >>> worked. >>> >> Ah yes. >> >> From The Consumerist: >> >> "Best Buy Optimization is a Big Stupid Annoying Waste of Money >> http://consumerist.com/2010/01/consumerist-investigation-best-buy-optimization-is-a-big-stupid-annoying-waste-of-money.html >> >> I appreciate that the margins on electronics are very thin, so Best Buy >> (and others) need to find other revenue sources. That's fair...they're >> allowed to make money. What's not fair is when they do it behind our backs. >> >> Daddy > > > Or as I've heard before and likely you did too.... > "read the fine print" . > > I've never been a big fan of Bestbuy and this just reinforces my > reasons. I do feel sorry tho for the poor shopper who knows little > about computers and buys into their bs. And I appreciate this info > because I can warn one of my inlaws currently shopping for a laptop. > But now that I think about this I wish they wouldn't because I just > have a feeling I'll be getting a call for free support :( .... maybe > that explains to you why I have experiences you don't have in an > earlier post of yours. Touch�! Daddy
From: RnR on 6 Mar 2010 19:34
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:35:16 -0500, Daddy <daddy(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >RnR wrote: >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:57:06 -0500, Daddy <daddy(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Tom Scales wrote: >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: William R. Walsh [mailto:wm_walsh(a)hotmail.com] >>>>> Posted At: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:36 AM >>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell >>>>> Conversation: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>>>> Subject: Re: News Flash! No More Windows Discs! >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>>> You bought a computer from Best Buy? >>>>> Ben said it very well. If you know exactly what you want (and maybe if >>>>> they've got a good deal going), and what you're getting, there's no >>>>> problem buying from there. And that includes computers. >>>>> >>>>> Just ignore the 'Geek Squad', extended warranties (unless there is an >>>>> absolutely screaming good deal on one) and anything else, get what you >>>>> want and get out. >>>>> >>>>> Best Buy and related stores do very well when you need something *now* >>>>> as well. >>>>> >>>>> William >>>> >>>> I went to Best Buy two days before Christmas to buy their sale laptop. >>>> EVERY SINGLE Dell laptop on the floor had a 'sticker' that said they had >>>> done something extra (virus software, etc), adding to the price. The >>>> sales guy said that was all they had. >>>> >>>> I demanded a manager who magically found one that was 'bare' that was >>>> kept in the back and the sales people weren't allowed in the back. >>>> >>>> Pissed me off. >>>> >>>> They avoided, barely, a BBB complaint. >>>> >>>> That said, it was a good price on what I wanted in a timeframe that >>>> worked. >>>> >>> Ah yes. >>> >>> From The Consumerist: >>> >>> "Best Buy Optimization is a Big Stupid Annoying Waste of Money >>> http://consumerist.com/2010/01/consumerist-investigation-best-buy-optimization-is-a-big-stupid-annoying-waste-of-money.html >>> >>> I appreciate that the margins on electronics are very thin, so Best Buy >>> (and others) need to find other revenue sources. That's fair...they're >>> allowed to make money. What's not fair is when they do it behind our backs. >>> >>> Daddy >> >> >> Or as I've heard before and likely you did too.... >> "read the fine print" . >> >> I've never been a big fan of Bestbuy and this just reinforces my >> reasons. I do feel sorry tho for the poor shopper who knows little >> about computers and buys into their bs. And I appreciate this info >> because I can warn one of my inlaws currently shopping for a laptop. >> But now that I think about this I wish they wouldn't because I just >> have a feeling I'll be getting a call for free support :( .... maybe >> that explains to you why I have experiences you don't have in an >> earlier post of yours. > >Touch�! > >Daddy Thanks .... on 2nd thought maybe let them buy from Bestbuy and let the Geek Squad handle it <grin>. Anyway thanks again for the heads up on Bestbuy. |