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From: KCB on 10 Oct 2009 15:55

"William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message
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>
> "First of One" <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:sMednY10MqxeR1LXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Keep in mind Charlie is an Inquirer reject turned full-time AMD fanboi.
>> Seriously, who is going to buy a GTX285 now when a much better-performing
>> HD 5870 exists? The GT300 card is coming in 2-3 months, according to the
>> latest rumors, so now would be appropriate to issue EOL notices to clear
>> out existing inventory.
>>
>> For what it's worth, AMD incurred heavy losses for the last six quarters.
>> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings
>> That GlobalFoundaries deal was a last-ditch attempt to stay afloat while
>> giving the appearance of strategic planning. AMD never did well
>> financially even during the Athlon64 years when Intel tripped up. After a
>> while you become desensitized to these things.
>>
>
> I'm aware about the bad news coming from both camps. I became aware of
> this news from John Dvorak's web site.
> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/09/nvidia-on-the-way-to-the-video-card-scrapyard/ .
> John is usually pretty careful who he references and I consider his
> comments worth paying attention to. I've been following him for over 30
> years now. (His web site is too far Left leaning for me.)
>
> I am surprised no one else bothered to post this information to this news
> group. I think its pretty important and one more nail in Nvidia's coffin
> if they don't get their act together. And yes, ATI has problems being a
> child of AMD. Maybe AMD will sell off ATI to raise money for their use.
> Wouldn't that be poetic justice.
>
> It seems some people are more upset that I brought up the subject rather
> than discuss the implications of the story. I suppose it depends on what
> card is sitting in ones computer at the time. Shoot the messenger and all
> that. It seems to happen every time someone posts information positive or
> negative about Nvidia -vs- ATI.
>
> William

I think the reaction to your post is more to do with your source than the
actual story. Many people don't consider that site for news, but rather
opinion and rumors. I think most everybody had already heard or read about
Nvidia's problems with intel, so the issue with them not making chipsets
wasn't really a surprise.


From: First of One on 14 Oct 2009 01:41
More rational look in response to Charlie's "news":
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3659

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

"William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:z5adnW5VfL1Rlk3XnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)posted.palinacquisition...
>
> "First of One" <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:sMednY10MqxeR1LXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> Keep in mind Charlie is an Inquirer reject turned full-time AMD fanboi.
>> Seriously, who is going to buy a GTX285 now when a much better-performing
>> HD 5870 exists? The GT300 card is coming in 2-3 months, according to the
>> latest rumors, so now would be appropriate to issue EOL notices to clear
>> out existing inventory.
>>
>> For what it's worth, AMD incurred heavy losses for the last six quarters.
>> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings
>> That GlobalFoundaries deal was a last-ditch attempt to stay afloat while
>> giving the appearance of strategic planning. AMD never did well
>> financially even during the Athlon64 years when Intel tripped up. After a
>> while you become desensitized to these things.
>>
>
> I'm aware about the bad news coming from both camps. I became aware of
> this news from John Dvorak's web site.
> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/09/nvidia-on-the-way-to-the-video-card-scrapyard/ .
> John is usually pretty careful who he references and I consider his
> comments worth paying attention to. I've been following him for over 30
> years now. (His web site is too far Left leaning for me.)
>
> I am surprised no one else bothered to post this information to this news
> group. I think its pretty important and one more nail in Nvidia's coffin
> if they don't get their act together. And yes, ATI has problems being a
> child of AMD. Maybe AMD will sell off ATI to raise money for their use.
> Wouldn't that be poetic justice.
>
> It seems some people are more upset that I brought up the subject rather
> than discuss the implications of the story. I suppose it depends on what
> card is sitting in ones computer at the time. Shoot the messenger and all
> that. It seems to happen every time someone posts information positive or
> negative about Nvidia -vs- ATI.
>
> William
>


From: Thomas Womack on 14 Oct 2009 04:25
In article <sMednY10MqxeR1LXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
First of One <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Keep in mind Charlie is an Inquirer reject turned full-time AMD fanboi.
>Seriously, who is going to buy a GTX285 now when a much better-performing HD
>5870 exists?

I've just ordered a GTX275 because CUDA seems so much less painful
than ATI's GPGPU solution, but I'm obviously not the intended market;
and it was a 275, and would have been a 5850, because I'm buying by
price-per-ALU.

Though I doubt I'll actually program the 275 any more than I did the
GeForce Ti4400 that I bought thinking it was for the same purpose; at
least the interface by which I won't get round to programming it is
somewhat more convenient.

Tom
From: DRS on 14 Oct 2009 05:17
"First of One" <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> More rational look in response to Charlie's "news":
> http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3659

I think the author is underestimating the extent to which Nvidia has pissed
its partners off. The HPs and Dells of this world severely dislike being
forced to shell out millions to cover somebody else's major - and
foreseeable - fuckup. I'm seeing a lot more ATI options on the big laptop
manufacturers' web sites and that's got to hurt Nividia in the long run.



From: First of One on 14 Oct 2009 18:27
I always considered the HPs and Dells to be partially to blame for the
fuckup. It's what they get for not doing integration testing on their own
notebooks, inexcusable given how marginal the notebook cooling solutions
usually are. Of course, the HPs and Dells may not feel that way.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

"DRS" <drs(a)removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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> "First of One" <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:uNWdnQrTQcwJ-UjXnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com
>> More rational look in response to Charlie's "news":
>> http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3659
>
> I think the author is underestimating the extent to which Nvidia has
> pissed its partners off. The HPs and Dells of this world severely dislike
> being forced to shell out millions to cover somebody else's major - and
> foreseeable - fuckup. I'm seeing a lot more ATI options on the big laptop
> manufacturers' web sites and that's got to hurt Nividia in the long run.


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