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From: William on 9 Oct 2009 16:47
I don't like the sound of this, but it is all over the net today. Nvidia
kills the GTX285, GTX275, GTX260, and abandons the mid and high end market.
"Due to a massive series of engineering failures, nearly all of the
company's product line is financially under water, and mismanagement seems
to be killing the company."

See the article at:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/

I would by far prefer a healthy Nvidia to keep ATI hard at work. If Nvidia
goes away, ATI will loose a major reason for pushing innovation in graphics.
Bad news for us all.

William


From: DRS on 9 Oct 2009 18:01
"Antonio L�pez de Santa Anna" <Santa_Anna(a)Alamo.invlaid> wrote in
message news:sravc5lco3q89vm1lrehvthshgrd1v7l25(a)4ax.com
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:47:26 -0700, "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't like the sound of this, but it is all over the net today.
>> Nvidia kills the GTX285, GTX275, GTX260, and abandons the mid and
>> high end market. "Due to a massive series of engineering failures,
>> nearly all of the company's product line is financially under water,
>> and mismanagement seems to be killing the company."
>>
>> See the article at:
>> http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/
>>
>> I would by far prefer a healthy Nvidia to keep ATI hard at work. If
>> Nvidia goes away, ATI will loose a major reason for pushing
>> innovation in graphics. Bad news for us all.
>
> That news was out yesterday and not today and Nvidia have already
> responded saying it is not true. They are killing their chipset
> development branch for one year though until the outcome of a court
> case with Intel is decided.
>
> http://www.driverheaven.net/news/190637-nvidia-does-not-abandon-mid-high-end-market.html#post1301104
>
> "These are obviously rather bold claims indeed and I decided to give
> Nvidia a call this afternoon to get their feedback on the
> aforementioned claims. An Nvidia spokesperson told me "There is no
> truth to this. Charlie has become a sponsored site of his sole
> advertiser. Look at his website it looks like an AMD ad." Nvidia also
> assured me with a chuckle that they are not 'abandoning the mid or
> high end markets'."

Of course Nvidia would say that.

Even when Charlie's analysis is taken with a sufficiently large grain of
salt it is clear Nvidia is in deep cow-dung. Will it do a 3dfx? Maybe not.
It has lots of money in the bank right now. But its manufacturing costs are
higher than ATI's which means its retail prices are higher too, meaning ATI
is giving more bang for your buck (what a turn around from 2 years ago,
eh?). Nvidia has also lost a lot of credibility with OEMs. Check out the
video options on the big laptop vendors like Dell, HP and Apple - lots more
ATI, much less Nvidia. That is not your ordinary case of swings and
roundabouts, with ATI taking its turn in front. Nvidia's bad engineering
decisions, the lies upon lies, and the money it's cost the OEMs in the
process is going to hurt it hard for a long time.



From: First of One on 9 Oct 2009 20:52
Keep in mind Charlie is an Inquirer reject turned full-time AMD fanboi.
Seriously, who is going to buy a GTX285 now when a much better-performing HD
5870 exists? The GT300 card is coming in 2-3 months, according to the latest
rumors, so now would be appropriate to issue EOL notices to clear out
existing inventory.

For what it's worth, AMD incurred heavy losses for the last six quarters.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings
That GlobalFoundaries deal was a last-ditch attempt to stay afloat while
giving the appearance of strategic planning. AMD never did well financially
even during the Athlon64 years when Intel tripped up. After a while you
become desensitized to these things.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:3vGdnd-_X5_GPFLXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)posted.palinacquisition...
>I don't like the sound of this, but it is all over the net today. Nvidia
>kills the GTX285, GTX275, GTX260, and abandons the mid and high end market.
>"Due to a massive series of engineering failures, nearly all of the
>company's product line is financially under water, and mismanagement seems
>to be killing the company."
>
> See the article at:
> http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/
>
> I would by far prefer a healthy Nvidia to keep ATI hard at work. If
> Nvidia goes away, ATI will loose a major reason for pushing innovation in
> graphics. Bad news for us all.
>
> William
>


From: William on 10 Oct 2009 00:21

"First of One" <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:sMednY10MqxeR1LXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> Keep in mind Charlie is an Inquirer reject turned full-time AMD fanboi.
> Seriously, who is going to buy a GTX285 now when a much better-performing
> HD 5870 exists? The GT300 card is coming in 2-3 months, according to the
> latest rumors, so now would be appropriate to issue EOL notices to clear
> out existing inventory.
>
> For what it's worth, AMD incurred heavy losses for the last six quarters.
> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings
> That GlobalFoundaries deal was a last-ditch attempt to stay afloat while
> giving the appearance of strategic planning. AMD never did well
> financially even during the Athlon64 years when Intel tripped up. After a
> while you become desensitized to these things.
>

I'm aware about the bad news coming from both camps. I became aware of this
news from John Dvorak's web site.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/09/nvidia-on-the-way-to-the-video-card-scrapyard/ .
John is usually pretty careful who he references and I consider his comments
worth paying attention to. I've been following him for over 30 years now.
(His web site is too far Left leaning for me.)

I am surprised no one else bothered to post this information to this news
group. I think its pretty important and one more nail in Nvidia's coffin if
they don't get their act together. And yes, ATI has problems being a child
of AMD. Maybe AMD will sell off ATI to raise money for their use. Wouldn't
that be poetic justice.

It seems some people are more upset that I brought up the subject rather
than discuss the implications of the story. I suppose it depends on what
card is sitting in ones computer at the time. Shoot the messenger and all
that. It seems to happen every time someone posts information positive or
negative about Nvidia -vs- ATI.

William


From: William on 10 Oct 2009 00:39

"First of One" <root(a)127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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OFF TOPIC

First:

BTW, I decided to skip upgrading my video card and computer until after the
first of the year. I still want to see what second and third generation
5870's look like, (and prices.) Not only that, I need to go for a new cpu,
mobo, ram, OS, as well as the video card.

So.... I am the proud owner of a new DSLR camera, a Canon EOS 7D. Its got
so many bells and whistles it will take months to figure out how to use them
all. One that I particularly like, it has Pitch and Yaw sensors in it to
assist in leveling the camera for horizontal shots. This blows me away. It
wasn't more than 10 years ago that a gyroscope would be required to do this,
with compressors to spin the thing up.

I think we can thank the Wii game console and the new controller technology
for the advancement in solid state accelerator detectors that allows for
this type of advancement.

William


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