From: Cor Ligthert[MVP] on 17 Mar 2010 08:00
Maybe the tone of my words, let make from it "most of them", be aware
computers are not shipped anymore to tons of people. It is now about
hundreds of millions of people.
However, ask those tons of people how they would it in another way, then
most of them can probably only say "Not as it is done now"
Most persons don't know what they are using beside a keyboard, a mouse, a
screen and something magical.
"Mike Williams" <Mike(a)WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message
> "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <Notmyfirstname(a)planet.nl> wrote in message
>> Where you are talking about are computers created for a
>> certain group of users like home users or business users,
>> they are happy with preinstalled OS and other software
> You've just made that up, Cor. I know tons of people who are not happy
> with preinstalled software, especially the "trial software" that Micro$oft
> and various other vendors pay the manufacturers to dump on the machines
> they sell. Most sensible people get rid of it immediately, but others who
> are less knowledgable get sucked in by the scam. That doesn't mean they
> are happy.
From: Mike Williams on 17 Mar 2010 08:35
"Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <Notmyfirstname(a)planet.nl> wrote in message
> However, ask those tons of people how they would it in another
> way, then most of them can probably only say "Not as it is done
> now". Most persons don't know what they are using beside a
> keyboard, a mouse, a screen and something magical.
Exactly. Like I said, they get sucked in by the scam.
From: dpb on 17 Mar 2010 09:11
Tom Shelton wrote:
> On 2010-03-17, mayayana <mayayana(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Wow...I had to stop and think, when was the last time I actually bought
>> something from MSFT? It was either VB6 or Win98. Every OS since then has
>> come preinstalled.
>> That's a purchase. I think they get $50-80
>> for each OEM license. So if you buy a commercial
>> PC with Windows pre-installed then you're
>> buying Windows.
> It's more complicated than that. In fact, you are probably getting a small
> discount rather then paying anything for windows if you are buying from a
> major distributor such as del or hp. ...
Perhaps on net pricing but they're certainly paying MS a licensing fee
based on unit volume in part that is getting passed on to the enduser,
however obfuscated the accounting.
From: mayayana on 17 Mar 2010 10:33
> Most sensible people get rid of it immediately,
> but others who are
> less knowledgable get sucked in by the scam.
> That doesn't mean they are
I saw an article yeasterday at Slashdot. A
"scientist" at Microsoft (I love the British word
"boffin" for scientist) says that people ignore
security not out of stupidity or laziness but
because they simply don't see the advantage
in investing large amounts of time on such a
thing. They'd rather just re-install or buy a new
machine when things go bad. I suppose there's
some truth in that. Understanding PCs involves
a vast area of poorly organized information. But
what I see is a lot of people who just expect
to have trouble. They breathe a sigh of relief
when their PC boots and another sigh when they
shut down after finishing their work. And a
surprising number tolerate months of using a PC
that moves in slow motion due to crapware,
bloated AV software, pointless software and
driver update programs, corporate spyware, etc.
They just think it's normal.
I don't know anyone who "likes" the software
on their PC (except those Mac nuts). I just know
a few people who are not currently frustrated.
From: mayayana on 17 Mar 2010 10:53
> Sorry, can't speak for "Mike". Up until a few years ago I had never heard
of him before, although I
> believe he was in the MVP program for a year.
So you're claiming a special rank of tribal elder?