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From: bob urz on 4 Apr 2010 15:18 Joe Kotroczo wrote: > On 04/04/2010 19:45, in article hpaj7r$mtd$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob urz" > <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: > >> bob urz wrote: >>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>> On 04/04/2010 16:52, in article hpa92r$l1$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob urz" >>>> <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/BobbyJarzombekTV#p/a/u/0/zb8F-Kpuzs4 >>>> "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." >>>> >>>>> http://www.roadie.net/portal/html/modules/news/article.php?storyid=906 >>>> http://www.officialconcerts.com/2010/03/17/sebastian-bach-rio-stage-collapse >>>> >>>> -video-porto-alegre-update/ >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqTGWJXAsw&feature=related >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw6V1WPElxM&feature=related >>> >>> see if these are still up. >>> >>> bob >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enhhnkx4kVc&feature=related > > Thanks. > > This reminds me: there was a stage roof collapse less than a year ago in > Marseilles, Madonna's tour. Did anyone ever hear the result of the > investigation? > > During one of those videos, it was heard in the background to take cover or be sliced in half. It looked like flying corrugated steel siding. So, at what point do you stop looking after the show and dive for cover to save your own butt? We work in dangerous environments in arenas with stuff that could fall and kill us in a second. A few years ago i was doing a arena country show when one of the riggers from above dropped the chain he was trying to tie up in the ceiling. I heard that clanging chain sound very close and put my tired old butt in warp drive. Lucky, no one was hurt, but i was WAY too close for comfort. Another time, we were taking a sound cluster up and one of the chain motor bags got caught on this little welded on tab on the front chain motor. The tab broke off, i heard this SProng.. noise, then the whole cluster started to shake. That was about a shorts chaining moment too. luckily, everything stayed in the air and nothing came down. Found out latter that these tabs were usually taken off the chain motors before they were released into the wild. I know guys who go out and do roofs all summer. That would be like being in the gulag to me... bob
From: JWald on 4 Apr 2010 16:48 ---- "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message news:hpaolg$uc4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > Joe Kotroczo wrote: >> On 04/04/2010 19:45, in article hpaj7r$mtd$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob urz" >> <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: >> >>> bob urz wrote: >>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>>> On 04/04/2010 16:52, in article hpa92r$l1$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob >>>>> urz" >>>>> <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/BobbyJarzombekTV#p/a/u/0/zb8F-Kpuzs4 >>>>> "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.roadie.net/portal/html/modules/news/article.php?storyid=906 >>>>> http://www.officialconcerts.com/2010/03/17/sebastian-bach-rio-stage-collapse >>>>> >>>>> -video-porto-alegre-update/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqTGWJXAsw&feature=related >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw6V1WPElxM&feature=related >>>> >>>> see if these are still up. >>>> >>>> bob >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enhhnkx4kVc&feature=related >> >> Thanks. >> >> This reminds me: there was a stage roof collapse less than a year ago in >> Marseilles, Madonna's tour. Did anyone ever hear the result of the >> investigation? >> >> > During one of those videos, it was heard in the background to take cover > or be sliced in half. It looked like flying corrugated steel siding. > So, at what point do you stop looking after the show and dive for cover > to save your own butt? > > We work in dangerous environments in arenas with stuff that could fall and > kill us in a second. A few years ago i was doing a arena country show when > one of the riggers from above dropped the chain he was trying to tie up in > the ceiling. I heard that clanging chain sound very close > and put my tired old butt in warp drive. Lucky, no one was hurt, but i > was WAY too close for comfort. > > Another time, we were taking a sound cluster up and one of the chain motor > bags got caught on this little welded on tab on the front chain motor. The > tab broke off, i heard this SProng.. noise, then the whole > cluster started to shake. That was about a shorts chaining moment too. > luckily, everything stayed in the air and nothing came down. Found out > latter that these tabs were usually taken off the chain motors before they > were released into the wild. > > > I know guys who go out and do roofs all summer. That would be like being > in the gulag to me... > > bob It wasn't a stage collapse, but I had a shackle, dropped from the grid, miss me by about a foot. No heads up prior to, and no apology since. That's been about 3 yrs ago. -- J Wald -- "Can't do it Sally" Tom Hagen Godfather I
From: Joe Kotroczo on 4 Apr 2010 16:48 On 04/04/2010 21:18, in article hpaolg$uc4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: (...) > So, at what point do you stop looking after the show and dive for cover > to save your own butt? Falling objects larger than, say, a microphone, can usually not be caught without someone getting hurt. If something's falling, shout a warning and get out of the way. Or did you have something else in mind. -- Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com
From: bob urz on 4 Apr 2010 17:14 Joe Kotroczo wrote: > On 04/04/2010 21:18, in article hpaolg$uc4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob urz" > <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: > > (...) >> So, at what point do you stop looking after the show and dive for cover >> to save your own butt? > > Falling objects larger than, say, a microphone, can usually not be caught > without someone getting hurt. If something's falling, shout a warning and > get out of the way. > > Or did you have something else in mind. > You may or may not get a warning. We had a shackle pin hit a guy in the forehead last month. It was from only 8' high or so (trying to tie back a cable bundle to the lower bowl seat rails) but its heavy and i am sure it hurt. Last month we set up this turntable set for Tyler Perry. It was a old two story POS. Dangerous as hell to set up. Even if someone yells, you may not know where its coming from or if its too small even see it in time. The guys from circ Solie all wear hard hats. In the future, it may be mandated for all. bob
From: Joe Kotroczo on 4 Apr 2010 17:37 On 04/04/2010 23:14, in article hpavg6$7so$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: (...) > > Even if someone yells, you may not know where its coming from or if > its too small even see it in time. The guys from circ Solie all wear > hard hats. In the future, it may be mandated for all. Ehm, all the major venues that I've worked in required hard hats to be worn when somebody was in the rig. -- Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com
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