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From: Phyuck Yu on 8 Oct 2008 22:56
sorry that i wasnt able to respond sooner but things happen.
here is the info PA Bear was requesting...

AMD Athlon XP 2800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.1GHz
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (128.0 MB)
1024MB DDR2 (PC-3200) RAM
Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254
Add-ons: Adobe PDF Link Helper (BHO)
Ag ControlClass (ActiveX Control)
IDMIEHlprObj Class (BHO)
Shockwave Flash Object (ActiveX Control)
SSVHelper Class (BHO)
Sun Java Console (Browser Extension)
Windows Live Sign-in Helper (BHO)
XML DOM Document (ActiveX Control)

Avira Premium Security Suite
no other anti-spyware (at the moment)
no third-party Firewall (at the moment)

this particular problem that we are discussing is directly related to just
IE, though i do have a completely different problem with "Windows Explorer"
crashing at random intervals when i "right-click" anywhere inside the
explorer window, either on an icon or just in any blank space inside the
window, but im "guessing" that this has something related to third-party
shell extensions.

thanks again for all the input/help as well as your time and patience!


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Full Windows version? How have you determined that you've reached the
> "threshold for maximum simultaneous open windows"? All Windows or just IE
> windows? What Add-ons are installed & enabled? How much memory does the
> machine have? Is the machine fully patched at Windows Update? What
> anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What anti-spyware
> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)?
>
> [Chuck Fu] wrote:
> > when iv reached my systems threshold for maximum simultaneous open windows
> > and if either i try and open up one more or if it happens from some random
> > pop-up the window never reaches its url and displays nothing but the
> > tool-bars along with the windows logo just spinning away in the corner.
> > now when i go and try to close it i immedietly receive this msg...
> >
> > Microsoft Internet Explorer
> > This window is busy.
> > Closing this window may cause some problems.
> > Do you want to close it anyway?
> >
> > regardless if you press "ok" or try and "cancel" they both give the same
> > result..a beep/ping and thats it..still lookin at this dammed window!!
> >
> > is there anything that can be done to fix this and prevent it from
> > happening
> > or how bout a nice easy way of closing the window without having to close
> > any/all of the other windows im currently using?
>
>
From: DMahalko on 17 Oct 2008 01:44
I've seen this before in Windows XP and IE as well. The basic issue is that
from the very beginning with Windows version 3.0, it has this stuff called
GDI resources which are used up whenever menus, new windows, and window
widgets (pictures, icons, text boxes, buttons, etc) are displayed.

Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 had a GDI Resource Meter in the Accessories part of
the Start Menu, to show when GDI was getting low and problems would likely
start to occur. This helped people to know when there were too many windows
open and the system would be starting to act flaky.

Windows 2000 / XP were supposedly supposed to make GDI problems go away so
there is no way to measure GDI usage with 2000 or XP. The GDI Resource Meter
will not run under Win 2000/XP. Actually the problems of run out of free GDI
resources still exist but it seems the limits are just much higher with
2000/XP.

It is very easy to overflow your GDI limits on a website like eBay. Do a
search for something with hundreds of results, and then for each listing,
right click on the auction title and choose "Open in New Window".

Once you've opened around 75 new windows, you're going to eat all available
GDI and Windows XP is going to start acting really weird because it needs
those GDI resources for very basic graphical functions. Menus will not open
if you click on them, new windows will not open, and you'll sometimes get
bizarre errors popping up saying "Could not complete operation"...

And if you open a new IE window under these conditions, you get that goofy
blank window with just the little IE logo, no menu bar, no address bar, no
nothing, which says that closing this window could cause "some problems".

Windows 2000/XP is going to stay hosed until you start closing the 50+ open
windows to free up those supposed GDI resources that XP supposedly isn't
supposed to be using anymore compared to Win 3.1/95/98...


The only way I've found to get rid of the "problems will occur" IE window is
to just reboot, which obviously frees up all your GDI, including any screwed
up GDI like that bad IE window, but then you have to close all your open
files, save all your work, and go through that hassle. Microsoft seems to
have no solution to it.

The whole "GDI is no longer a problem for Win 2000/XP" claims by Microsoft
are in the same class as the one from years ago that NTFS was so advanced
that it would never need defragmenting... it is just marketing BS that
doesn't hold water in actual use.

- Dale Mahalko



"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Full Windows version? How have you determined that you've reached the
> "threshold for maximum simultaneous open windows"? All Windows or just IE
> windows? What Add-ons are installed & enabled? How much memory does the
> machine have? Is the machine fully patched at Windows Update? What
> anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What anti-spyware
> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)?
>
> [Chuck Fu] wrote:
> > when iv reached my systems threshold for maximum simultaneous open windows
> > and if either i try and open up one more or if it happens from some random
> > pop-up the window never reaches its url and displays nothing but the
> > tool-bars along with the windows logo just spinning away in the corner.
> > now when i go and try to close it i immedietly receive this msg...
> >
> > Microsoft Internet Explorer
> > This window is busy.
> > Closing this window may cause some problems.
> > Do you want to close it anyway?
> >

From: Robert Aldwinckle on 17 Oct 2008 16:00
"DMahalko" <DMahalko(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D2787E62-BAB7-4981-A9A3-177CCE8133A5(a)microsoft.com...
> I've seen this before in Windows XP and IE as well. The basic issue is that
> from the very beginning with Windows version 3.0, it has this stuff called
> GDI resources which are used up whenever menus, new windows, and window
> widgets (pictures, icons, text boxes, buttons, etc) are displayed.
>
> Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 had a GDI Resource Meter in the Accessories part of
> the Start Menu, to show when GDI was getting low and problems would likely
> start to occur. This helped people to know when there were too many windows
> open and the system would be starting to act flaky.
>

> Windows 2000 / XP were supposedly supposed to make GDI problems go away so
> there is no way to measure GDI usage with 2000 or XP.


Use Task Manager's Processes tab and add the GDI column to it.


> The GDI Resource Meter
> will not run under Win 2000/XP. Actually the problems of run out of free GDI
> resources still exist but it seems the limits are just much higher with
> 2000/XP.
>
> It is very easy to overflow your GDI limits on a website like eBay. Do a
> search for something with hundreds of results, and then for each listing,
> right click on the auction title and choose "Open in New Window".
>
> Once you've opened around 75 new windows, you're going to eat all available
> GDI and Windows XP is going to start acting really weird because it needs
> those GDI resources for very basic graphical functions. Menus will not open
> if you click on them, new windows will not open, and you'll sometimes get
> bizarre errors popping up saying "Could not complete operation"...
>
> And if you open a new IE window under these conditions, you get that goofy
> blank window with just the little IE logo, no menu bar, no address bar, no
> nothing, which says that closing this window could cause "some problems".
>
> Windows 2000/XP is going to stay hosed until you start closing the 50+ open
> windows to free up those supposed GDI resources that XP supposedly isn't
> supposed to be using anymore compared to Win 3.1/95/98...
>
>

> The only way I've found to get rid of the "problems will occur" IE window is
> to just reboot, which obviously frees up all your GDI, including any screwed
> up GDI like that bad IE window, but then you have to close all your open
> files, save all your work, and go through that hassle. Microsoft seems to
> have no solution to it.


There was a patch a long time ago which solved the global GDI problem.
It's true that if any one task gets over 9,000 GDI Objects counted you can
see some of the symptoms you mentioned. However, killing the problem
task is a simple effective way to deal with it, if normal GUI methods are
unavailable. Also, usually just closing a few of the problem task's windows
or tabs is sufficient to let normal GUI methods become available again.


>
> The whole "GDI is no longer a problem for Win 2000/XP" claims by Microsoft
> are in the same class as the one from years ago that NTFS was so advanced
> that it would never need defragmenting... it is just marketing BS that
> doesn't hold water in actual use.


There are also tools and registry tweaks that you can find related to this.

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general&mid=2f0922f5-4c7c-4870-9e30-bbd7be9a1bb2&sloc=en-us

(Alt-7 search of that newsgroup for
"GDI Objects"
)

for example.


FYI

Robert Aldwinckle
---


>
> - Dale Mahalko
>
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Full Windows version? How have you determined that you've reached the
>> "threshold for maximum simultaneous open windows"? All Windows or just IE
>> windows? What Add-ons are installed & enabled? How much memory does the
>> machine have? Is the machine fully patched at Windows Update? What
>> anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What anti-spyware
>> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)?
>>
>> [Chuck Fu] wrote:
>> > when iv reached my systems threshold for maximum simultaneous open windows
>> > and if either i try and open up one more or if it happens from some random
>> > pop-up the window never reaches its url and displays nothing but the
>> > tool-bars along with the windows logo just spinning away in the corner.
>> > now when i go and try to close it i immedietly receive this msg...
>> >
>> > Microsoft Internet Explorer
>> > This window is busy.
>> > Closing this window may cause some problems.
>> > Do you want to close it anyway?
>> >
>


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