Using V-Vocal
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From: Angof on 5 May 2008 05:08 I think I may be misunderstanding what is happening. I will go back to it again and relook at it. cheers Angof "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:HDqTj.8452$iK6.5430(a)nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... >I have Sonar 7 not Sonar 6, I don't use autocorrection but the help files >describe it pretty well. Look up Pitch Editing in the online help? >Basically after you select the areas to fix, set a major or minor scale to >follow, fix any other parameters as applicable, and click 'correct'. The >entire highlighted section will be changed at once. > > Is that what you are looking for? > -- > Sue Morton > > Angof wrote: >> "Organfreak" <plonk(a)plinkety.plunk> wrote in message >> news:vf3s1414spjq0peijs284otfu7mer0hkg1(a)4ax.com... >>> "Angof" <angof(a)nospam.com> blatted: >>>> It looks to me like when you click correct, it doesnt autocorrect >>>> it just calculates and shows a correct pitch and then you manually >>>> adjust to that pitch if you wish. >>> >>> So are you allergic to reading the Help files? >> >> Nope the help file doesn't help and Sonar power while giving great >> advice on how to use it, doesnt help in this particular instance. > >
From: Sue Morton on 6 May 2008 16:25 All the guessing at my meaning didn't get it :-) I wasn't using 'intonation' in the 'musical' sense, rather in the pronounciation sense... but as it applies to music. To illustrate. If someone says, "Baaaston", you know the word but the sound is different from someone saying, "Boston". But it is possible for either "Boston" or "Baaaston" to be intoned (speech) in such a way, that it sounds off-pitch even though a scope will reveal it is ON pitch. It is not due to overtones or resonance, it is the ear (brain) that *perceives* the pitch is off (usually flat), when it really isn't. If you've never heard examples of this then you probably can't relate until you do.... then you'll recognize it immediately. -- Sue Morton Glennbo wrote: >>> Poor intonation is also something that will make a vocal sound off >>> key. This is very common in untrained singers. Even if it is right >>> on pitch. Not much you can do about those except re-record and hope >>> the singer does a better job. > > Maybe "formant" or "resonance" was what she was referring to. Good > intonation refers to notes sitting on the money in the scale, which is > pretty much interchangable with being on pitch. Of course some > instruments (like piano) frequently are tuned to stretch tuning, > which isn't mathmatically perfect, but sounds better to many people's > ears than equally tempered tuning.
From: Ricky Hunt on 5 May 2008 18:22 "Angof" <angof(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:S7adneJdAfYtRIHVnZ2dnUVZ8uOdnZ2d(a)plusnet... > hi all > > I've been getting used to V-Vocal and I wonder what your personla > threshold is for using v-vocal. As a guide it has a green/amber/red line > for sharp flat, at what point do you consider it needing changing in your > mixing? When my ears (not the lines) tell me it could use a little tweaking. And putting it "dead on" is not always the best way. Change it as little as possible until it sounds right. > > Also is there any way to automate v-vocal, i.e. it offers a sort of ideal > pitch waveform, is there a button to just accept the recommended pitch > change? It does but I don't use (tried it once it turns you into Cher even though my vocals are very rarely off by much. But I'm a country singer and the scoops, bends, etc. get quantized too (depending on the strength) so you get a "stair-stepped" effect.
From: Angof on 5 May 2008 19:48 Yup I was being dumb. I admit it. after much experimentation, as suggested, I think it is wise not to use the automatic pitch adjustment too overzealously. sometimes things just need to be off a bit. The other thing I liked about it was the dynamics editor. Very nice addition. thanks to everyone for your help. Angof "Angof" <angof(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:Nf6dncr0W98OU4PVnZ2dnUVZ8t6inZ2d(a)plusnet... >I think I may be misunderstanding what is happening. I will go back to it >again and relook at it. > > cheers > > Angof > "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message > news:HDqTj.8452$iK6.5430(a)nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... >>I have Sonar 7 not Sonar 6, I don't use autocorrection but the help files >>describe it pretty well. Look up Pitch Editing in the online help? >>Basically after you select the areas to fix, set a major or minor scale to >>follow, fix any other parameters as applicable, and click 'correct'. The >>entire highlighted section will be changed at once. >> >> Is that what you are looking for? >> -- >> Sue Morton >> >> Angof wrote: >>> "Organfreak" <plonk(a)plinkety.plunk> wrote in message >>> news:vf3s1414spjq0peijs284otfu7mer0hkg1(a)4ax.com... >>>> "Angof" <angof(a)nospam.com> blatted: >>>>> It looks to me like when you click correct, it doesnt autocorrect >>>>> it just calculates and shows a correct pitch and then you manually >>>>> adjust to that pitch if you wish. >>>> >>>> So are you allergic to reading the Help files? >>> >>> Nope the help file doesn't help and Sonar power while giving great >>> advice on how to use it, doesnt help in this particular instance. >> >> > >
From: Sue Morton on 6 May 2008 10:20
LOL Glad you got it sorted! Poor intonation is also something that will make a vocal sound off key. This is very common in untrained singers. Even if it is right on pitch. Not much you can do about those except re-record and hope the singer does a better job. -- Sue Morton Angof wrote: > Yup I was being dumb. I admit it. after much experimentation, as > suggested, I think it is wise not to use the automatic pitch > adjustment too overzealously. sometimes things just need to be off a > bit. > The other thing I liked about it was the dynamics editor. Very nice > addition. > > thanks to everyone for your help. > > Angof > > "Angof" <angof(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:Nf6dncr0W98OU4PVnZ2dnUVZ8t6inZ2d(a)plusnet... >> I think I may be misunderstanding what is happening. I will go back >> to it again and relook at it. >> >> cheers >> >> Angof >> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message >> news:HDqTj.8452$iK6.5430(a)nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... >>> I have Sonar 7 not Sonar 6, I don't use autocorrection but the help >>> files describe it pretty well. Look up Pitch Editing in the online >>> help? Basically after you select the areas to fix, set a major or >>> minor scale to follow, fix any other parameters as applicable, and >>> click 'correct'. The entire highlighted section will be changed at >>> once. Is that what you are looking for? >>> -- >>> Sue Morton >>> >>> Angof wrote: >>>> "Organfreak" <plonk(a)plinkety.plunk> wrote in message >>>> news:vf3s1414spjq0peijs284otfu7mer0hkg1(a)4ax.com... >>>>> "Angof" <angof(a)nospam.com> blatted: >>>>>> It looks to me like when you click correct, it doesnt autocorrect >>>>>> it just calculates and shows a correct pitch and then you >>>>>> manually adjust to that pitch if you wish. >>>>> >>>>> So are you allergic to reading the Help files? >>>> >>>> Nope the help file doesn't help and Sonar power while giving great >>>> advice on how to use it, doesnt help in this particular instance. |