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From: Buffalo on 3 Aug 2010 14:32 Steve Fenwick wrote: > In article <Xns9DC91AB3EABD0HHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.247>, > > It might be a regionalism, or a Britishism/Americanism. In over 20 > years I've never used, or heard used, "soldering pencil" in a lab in > the U.S., although I am familiar with the term. It's always been > "soldering iron", whether a giant thing to solder heavy cables, or a > tool suited to tiny ICs and SMT parts. Metcals are generally the best > I've seen for small devices; they put a high temperature (typically > 600 to 700F) into a very very small area very quickly (80W output). > > Steve C'mon, you never heard of a soldering pen? Buffalo
From: Dustin on 3 Aug 2010 16:25 Steve Fenwick <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in news:nospam-9B8B6B.09575203082010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi: > In article <Xns9DC91AB3EABD0HHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.247>, > Dustin <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> John Slade <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >> news:i37va2$e0f$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> > I got my start in electronics and have a background in >> > that too. I took college courses in electronics and am no >> > stranger to repairing circuit boards. I'm no stranger to >> > soldering irons. Well that's what we called them. I used to >> > repair TVs, radios and such years ago. >> >> Odd. I'm familiar with soldering irons as well as pencils, and we >> typically use the pencils for detail work that the iron generates >> too much heat for. Irons aren't good for changing out small >> transistors, IC's or caps due to the risk of damage, and especially >> these days with a pile of components nearby the one that has to be >> replaced; a pencil is the only way to safely do it. Lower wattage, >> less heat. >> > > It might be a regionalism, or a Britishism/Americanism. In over 20 > years I've never used, or heard used, "soldering pencil" in a lab in > the U.S., although I am familiar with the term. It's always been > "soldering iron", whether a giant thing to solder heavy cables, or a > tool suited to tiny ICs and SMT parts. Metcals are generally the > best I've seen for small devices; they put a high temperature > (typically 600 to 700F) into a very very small area very quickly > (80W output). > > Steve > 80watts output would burn an IC up on a wave soldered board... -- "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." - author unknown.
From: David H. Lipman on 3 Aug 2010 16:34 From: "Steve Fenwick" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> | In article <Xns9DC91AB3EABD0HHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.247>, | Dustin <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> John Slade <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >> news:i37va2$e0f$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >> > I got my start in electronics and have a background in >> > that too. I took college courses in electronics and am no >> > stranger to repairing circuit boards. I'm no stranger to >> > soldering irons. Well that's what we called them. I used to >> > repair TVs, radios and such years ago. >> Odd. I'm familiar with soldering irons as well as pencils, and we >> typically use the pencils for detail work that the iron generates too >> much heat for. Irons aren't good for changing out small transistors, >> IC's or caps due to the risk of damage, and especially these days with >> a pile of components nearby the one that has to be replaced; a pencil >> is the only way to safely do it. Lower wattage, less heat. | It might be a regionalism, or a Britishism/Americanism. In over 20 years | I've never used, or heard used, "soldering pencil" in a lab in the U.S., | although I am familiar with the term. It's always been "soldering iron", | whether a giant thing to solder heavy cables, or a tool suited to tiny | ICs and SMT parts. Metcals are generally the best I've seen for small | devices; they put a high temperature (typically 600 to 700F) into a very | very small area very quickly (80W output). | Steve I've always known the as "soldering irons" which goes back to the days prior to when the were heated by and elecetric current when you put the iron in the fire, so to speak. The best I ever had was powered by butane and used a catalyst to flamlessly burn the gas. Great soldering iron, grat heat shrink device. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Dustin on 3 Aug 2010 16:41 John Slade <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in news:i39p7p$bq1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > On 8/2/2010 11:35 PM, Dustin wrote: >> John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >> news:i37va2$e0f$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >> >>> On 8/2/2010 11:41 AM, Dustin wrote: >>>> John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >>>> news:3dp5o.33911$o27.791(a)newsfe08.iad: >>>> >>>>> On 8/1/2010 3:04 PM, Dustin wrote: >>>>>> John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:ILj5o.44119$4B7.2363(a)newsfe16.iad: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/1/2010 8:24 AM, Dustin wrote: >>>>>>>> John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:i32s10$653$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2010 4:21 PM, Dustin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> John Slade<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:L0p4o.32466$OU6.4877(a)newsfe20.iad: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/29/2010 1:40 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> | On 7/29/2010 3:24 AM, David H. Lipman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | On 7/27/2010 11:17 PM, RJK wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You should know there is malware out there >>>>>>>>>>> that will >>>>>>>>>>> trash the registry and it's backup. It will require some >>>>>>>>>>> sort of reinstall to get the system back working. I found >>>>>>>>>>> it very rare that I need to do a full reformat and >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall because of malware. Some malware will also >>>>>>>>>>> corrupt system files and when you remove them with >>>>>>>>>>> scanners, it will make the installation unbootable. This >>>>>>>>>>> is yet another reason professionals will make a backup if >>>>>>>>>>> possible before removing infections. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What software do you use for the backup? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will either use Acronis' or Paragon's backup >>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>> depending on the situation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you storing the backup on >>>>>>>>>> read only media or a hard drive that could fail for any >>>>>>>>>> reason? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You mean WORM(Write Once/Read Many) media don't >>>>>>>>> you? That >>>>>>>>> media can fail also. No media is perfect. I store the backup >>>>>>>>> on business or enterprise grade HDs and will transfer to >>>>>>>>> other media if the customer wants that backup. If it's a >>>>>>>>> large backup they will have to pay me for it. Tell me what >>>>>>>>> software and hardware would you use to backup your >>>>>>>>> customer's HD before you start removing malware? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't heard the acronym WORM in years... Damn, you have >>>>>>>> been around a long time. :) I was thinking of cd-r or perhaps >>>>>>>> dvd-r material. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be OK for DVD-R if the backup is small. But >>>>>>> swapping 20 or more DVDs is a pain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It depends. When I was working at a computer shop; I'd either >>>>>>>> use norton ghost corp edition or the hardware drive cloning >>>>>>>> device we had at the time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I rarely use Ghost these days, it used to be the >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> thing I ever used. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really didn't see much point in cloning a malware drive >>>>>>>> for malware removal; I wasn't stupid enough to trash my >>>>>>>> backups of the registry or important files. besides, I wrote >>>>>>>> several utilities to assist me in verifying various windows >>>>>>>> dll/exe files were still intact and okay for reuse. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yea that's good for you, but when you're working for >>>>>>> someone else and they have important data they want to save, I >>>>>>> will backup. Most of the time the customer doesn't have a >>>>>>> backup. A lot of times the customer has a HD that's five or >>>>>>> six years old and they really need a backup done. Then there >>>>>>> are the times when I'm working for a young person and they >>>>>>> don't want a backup they just want the drive wiped and they >>>>>>> want the OS installed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Theres your odd attitude again. What makes you think I wasn't >>>>>> working for someone else when I did those things? Obviously >>>>>> since I didn't own the shop, I was working for someone else. >>>>> >>>>> Well you made it sound like you were doing it for >>>>> yourself. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Btw, What certifications do you presently hold? I'm just lowly >>>>>> A+/network+ (back when that stupid thing was still considered >>>>>> worth the paper it's printed on). Are you MCSE? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I took courses and wound up teaching an A+ class. A+ is >>>>> a >>>>> good place to start for someone looking to get certified for >>>>> work at some company that requires that cert. I view the MCSE >>>>> certification as pretty much a money making scam. I look at MCSE >>>>> certifications as a joke in many cases because some courses just >>>> >>>> My boss paid for the tests, it just cost me some driving time. As >>>> I've been doing the computer thing since the trash80 series was >>>> actually new and hot stuff to some, I didn't really need to study >>>> for the exam. While tandy's computers were proprietary in nature, >>>> they had some things in common with cp/m and later dos machines. >>>> Besides, it beat tracing a grounding problem on an AT mainboard >>>> keyboard port.<G> >>>> >>>> The shop I worked at actually fixed problems, we didn't ship to >>>> manufacturer or sell you a new mainboard if components could be >>>> replaced cheaper and still bring the system back to it's original >>>> self. None of us were afraid of soldering pencils or precision >>>> electronics, everyone at the shop had a background in it. >>> >>> I got my start in electronics and have a background in >>> that too. I took college courses in electronics and am no >>> stranger to repairing circuit boards. I'm no stranger to >>> soldering irons. Well that's what we called them. I used to >>> repair TVs, radios and such years ago. >> >> Odd. I'm familiar with soldering irons as well as pencils, > > Well most people I know call all of them "soldering irons" > no matter the size. That's like some electricians I know that call all 9" linemans pliers klein, even tho they aren't. As klein is actually a company name. While both are soldering irons, the smaller more detailed one is commonly called a pencil and the other, for heavier soldering work; a gun. For pretty obvious reasons; one looks like a gun, the other a big fat crayon size pencil <G> http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/weller/index.cfm?model_list=1 &att_id=WEL012%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&att1=Soldering% 20Stations%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&att2=Replacement% 20Soldering%20Pencils Soldering pencils by weller... http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/weller/index.cfm?model_list=1 &att_id=WEL001%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&att1=Soldering% 20and%20Heat%20Guns%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&att2=Soldering%20Gun%20Kits Soldering gun by weller. Obviously, pictures alone show you why they are called the respective things. >>> When I need to repair a blown component like a bad sound >>> card, video card or controller card, I replace it. I haven't >>> needed to repair an actual circuit board for at least 15 years. >> >> So you haven't seen the leaking capacitor issue in your time >> professionally repairing PCs? If you have, did you upsell your >> client instead of replacing the caps? You can find them pretty >> cheap, in 50- 100 packs; enough to do several boards... > > I've seen just about everything that can cause a MB or card > to fail. I swap it out. I don't whip out a soldering iron at a > client's house to fix a throw-away component like a mother board > or card these days. It's just not worth the effort to get the > actual schematics and replace a teeny tiny resistor that has no I was talking specifically about the bad leaking capacitors; it takes less than 10 minutes to determine what the board needs as far as those go. Considering mainboards back when this was still a new issue were atleast a bill for AT class, It was cheaper to replace the caps than sell the customer a new mainboard. Not all shops did that route tho, some would gladly take another bill or two from the customer to replace a faulty component the store sold the customer just a few months back. In some cases, an RMA was possible so the store wasn't out anything, but in other cases, the store and the customer both lose if you can't RMA the bad board. > marking on it. You do of course know that not all components > exhibit actual visual signs of failure so you have to get a > meter to go in and test with a schematic on components. There is I know that many components don't display visual failure signs, but in fairness, I did cite a specific example; and a visual inspection would clearly tell you if a cap suffered from this or not. > other test equipment for motherboards Basically it would cost > the client lots of money and time. Today's components are best > replaced. Would you actually repair a $30 sound card? A sound card isn't a mainboard. It really depends. If I can fix the issue in a few minutes and not have to reinstall drivers or anything else that goes along with swapping parts out, sure I would. Unless I have an identical (right down to the revision and eeprom) card to go in it's place; otherwise I have to get drivers and deal with windows possibly being unhappy about the previous cards drivers, ad nausem. >> You don't work with laptops much eh? They're bad about breaking the >> power connector on the mainboard. In those cases, what do you do? > > I do some repairs on laptops like replace bad components. I > don't do component level repairs when I can save time and money > buying a replacement part. I let the good folk who make the > laptop components to the refurbishing work. Most of the time the component that needs replacing is a swap out, plug and play kinda deal; even the cpu is this way most of the time. What isn't that way is the little wire connectors on the laptops mainboard; that will require a soldering pencil, or passing it off to be done by someone else. >>> I used Bitdefender's bootable CD to remove malware from the >>> restore point files and it did not solve the problem. I rebooted >>> and the malware was written there again. Only when I turned off >> >> If the malware was written back when you rebooted, you missed >> something that was being given a chance to run when windows was >> booted normally. >> > > No that's not what happened. This conversation is going > in circles, I told you what happened more than once. You already explained you found a registry key pointing to starting the missing file up. So if you didn't miss this, how else did it get there? >>> system restore and when I rebooted, I got a popup stating that >>> it couldn't find a file in the system restore folders that were >>> deleted. Then I did a final scan and the malware was gone, >>> system fixed. >> >> Again, thats on you for missing the file in the first place... >> Nobody said you couldn't store a file in the system restore folder, >> in fact you can. > > Well I'm glad we agree on something, it is possible for > the malware to behave like I said it did. Now that we've got > that cleared up. There is no need to waste my time explaining > what happened yet again. Have a good day John with your professional work n all. -- "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." - author unknown.
From: Buffalo on 3 Aug 2010 17:47
Dustin wrote: > That's like some electricians I know that call all 9" linemans pliers > klein, even tho they aren't. As klein is actually a company name. Hey, how did you know I am a licensed electrician? And yes, it is common in the trade to call them 'kleins', like in, 'can I borrow your kleins?' Buffalo :) |