From: John Slade on
On 8/4/2010 2:48 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:J3j6o.48696$3%3.27633(a)newsfe23.iad...
>
> [...]
>
>> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do
>> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them
>> called "Anti-Virus" software?
>
> Yes, but that is beside the point.

No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is
acceptable to just about everyone except a few anal retentive
people who love to go around correcting everyone.

John
From: John Slade on
On 8/4/2010 4:29 PM, RJK wrote:
> ...same old hair being split again an again :-)
>
> ...when someone dumps a system box in my lap, or pleads down the 'phone, he
> or she often suspects that "...there's a virus in it."
>
> :-)
>
> regards, Richard
>
>


LOL. The same thing happens to me. Do you think every
time a customer does that I tell them, "It's not a virus! It's a
trojan!" I'll tell them eventually what the malware was that
caused the problem but I'll never be condescending to them like
some other "professionals" out there.

John

From: David Kaye on
Since this is just catty remarks now, can you remove ba.internet from the
follow-ups? Thanks

From: David H. Lipman on
From: "John Slade" <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net>

| On 8/4/2010 2:40 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:G1j6o.53362$dx7.3611(a)newsfe21.iad...

>> [...]

>>> "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term.
>>> Why do you think they call the software used to clean
>>> trojans and worms, "Anti-Virus" software?

>> Generally, they call it antimalware unless it is also effective against
>> viruses and worms (which are self-replicators). If it is effective
>> against viruses, they call it an antivirus. Antivirus programs can also
>> detect some non-replicating malware.

| They call it that because it's quite common to refer to
| all malware as viurses. Been this way for decades.



>>> I'm sure you don't think that they only clean viruses
>>> and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a matter
>>> of semantics.

>> Of course it is, but semantics shouldn't be a dismissive word. The
>> meanings of words are *important* to effective communications.


| It's all a matter of who you're talking to. If the person
| wants to nitpick even though they know what a person means then
| what can you do but explain. I've worked for people who are very
| computer savvy and people who are new to computers. I use all
| the terms to describe the problem and rarely hear anyone nitpick
| about using the word "virus" to describe a trojan or worm. It's
| just acceptable.

>>> Just about all of the major anti-malware vendors have
>>> products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because it just
>>> stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this?

>> We all know this, and we don't like it one bit. The fact remains that
>> viruses are a special case requiring more than what many antimalware
>> applications are equipped to handle.


| It seems to anger you on some level. I don't care in
| the least what they call it, as long as it does the job.

I'm sorry, just because the "average" person calls all malware a "virus" does not make it
correct and if you insist on following this train of thought, please do NOT call yourself
a "professional."


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


From: David H. Lipman on
From: "John Slade" <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net>

| On 8/4/2010 1:53 PM, David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net>



>>>> The term "malware" is generic.
>>>> The term "virus" is quite specific.



>> | "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term. Why do
>> | you think they call the software used to clean trojans and
>> | worms, "Anti-Virus" software? I'm sure you don't think that they
>> | only clean viruses and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a
>> | matter of semantics. Just about all of the major anti-malware
>> | vendors have products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because
>> | it just stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this?

>> Sorry John - No.

| Well it's time you learned.

I've been studying malware since I had to erradicate the "Jerusalem.B" from a Novell 2.11
network. That was a true file infecting virus. I have been at this long enough to say
emphatically, YOU need to learn otherwise do NOT call yourself a professional.


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp