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From: W. eWatson on 3 Jan 2010 15:23
Daave wrote:
> W. eWatson wrote:
>> As was suggested in a thread above, I went off to look for Win7 help
>> on a MS Forum. I chose MS TechNet. It seems pretty slow going there.
>> My question seems easy enough.
>
> How about trying this newgroup:
>
> news://news.aioe.org/alt.windows7.general
>
> Hopefully, you'll get quicker responses.
>
>
I posted to another one that looks like it gets more activity. In the
meantime, I driving down to the Sacramento area and peruse some big
bookstores. Years ago, MS offered 30 days free support on their OSes. I
guess that's gone by the wayside. I see nothing like it for HP. I did go
to a local bookstore. Win7 and Visualizing Win7. Both lack detail to be
satisfactory. Off to Amazon to see what they have as recommendations.
From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 3 Jan 2010 16:31
Post here instead:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/threads

W. eWatson wrote:
> As was suggested in a thread above, I went off to look for Win7 help on
> a MS Forum. I chose MS TechNet. It seems pretty slow going there. My
> question seems easy enough.
>
> I have a new HP PC and would like to create a Backup disk for the OS or
> whatever else might needed to rebuild the software in the event of a
> failure. I have not added anything to the system yet. HP's help says
> nothing about what account one should be on to do this. It just shows
> the step. It seems very much like it should be done as Admin. I
> understand that's hidden, but have instructions on how to get to it. So
> what's the answer? Secondly, did MS deliberately hide the Admin account
> because it should not be used for every day operations, but only as
> needed to do Admin work?

From: W. eWatson on 4 Jan 2010 07:20
Patrick Keenan wrote:
> "W. eWatson" <wolftracks(a)invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:hhqiap$u50$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> As was suggested in a thread above, I went off to look for Win7 help on a
>> MS Forum. I chose MS TechNet. It seems pretty slow going there. My
>> question seems easy enough.
>>
>> I have a new HP PC and would like to create a Backup disk for the OS or
>> whatever else might needed to rebuild the software in the event of a
>> failure. I have not added anything to the system yet. HP's help says
>> nothing about what account one should be on to do this. It just shows the
>> step. It seems very much like it should be done as Admin. I understand
>> that's hidden, but have instructions on how to get to it. So what's the
>> answer? Secondly, did MS deliberately hide the Admin account because it
>> should not be used for every day operations, but only as needed to do
>> Admin work?
>
> These backups often just create images of everything on the drive. You
> want to do this before you get much further. Be sure that you have enough
> discs on hand - the utility should telll you how many you need (as CD-R or
> DVD-R).
>
> I would actually suggest doing the base install, then creating an image of
> the drive as it is using software such as Acronis TrueImage. If you don't
> image to a hard disk, you will likely need two or more DVDs for the image
> file.
>
> It's also worth contacting HP support now and attempting to purchase restore
> DVDs. These often cost around $30 or so, and are worth it.
>
> I do basic installs, then attach the drive to my bench system and create an
> image to hard disk. In case of disaster, I can restore the image, to a new
> hard disk if necessary, and be running again in under an hour. If
> restoring to a new drive, I can then recover data with somewhat more leisure
> and less time pressure.
>
> As to the account, you need to be using an account with administrator
> rights. It is not necessary to use the built-in Administrator account, it
> can be any user account with Administrator rights. In fact, in the default
> setting, you may be completely unable to do this from the Administrator
> account.
>
> And yes, the Administrator account is disabled by default on at least some
> Win 7 versions, as on some Vista versions, so that it can't be used as a
> daily account or left wide open as a security hole. However, the rationale
> for this decision seems somewhat flawed since the Administrator account
> first has to be enabled from another user account, but you can't enable it
> if you can't get into a user account because the only user account is
> corrupted.
>
> So, it's not a bad idea to enable it, and put a decent password on it, which
> you change periodically.
>
> HTH
> -pk
>
>
Thanks. I stopped by Best Buy yesterday and asked them about the # DVDs
I would need for restore images, 3. I had spent 45 minutes in Barnes &
Nobles looking at Win 7 books. That's how I fell into images as the way
to do what I wanted. I found 4 books I thought would be very useful, and
bought one. Windows 7 in Depth, Que pub. I had a Que book for W2K, and
liked their style. The others were Windows 7 Inside Out, MS pub; Windows
7 On Demand, Que pub. A lesser book, but one that could have appeal to
beginners was Window 7 Plain and Simple, MS pub. I think the first three
books had 45 day access to the web version of the books. I thought that
was a good feature. It makes the book searchable. Fairly often such
books don't have a thorough index.

I'm not real impressed by the HP getting started. I don't think anything
was mentioned about buying the disks for $30. Maybe I missed it, but
when I was considering Vista, MS had some pretty decent fairly long
videos on line that pretty reasonably covered lots of topics. From my
post above, I think the best that could be turned up for 7 is the 7
second videos. Ugh.

Ah, what about the fabled Win7 transfer cable. As best I can tell it's a
USB 2 cable.
From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 4 Jan 2010 10:15
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W. eWatson wrote:
<snip>
> Thanks. I stopped by Best Buy yesterday and asked them about the # DVDs
> I would need for restore images, 3. I had spent 45 minutes in Barnes &
> Nobles looking at Win 7 books...

Windows 7 Inside Out
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=windows+7+inside+out&hl=en&cid=15665486279643288350&sa=title#p

> I'm not real impressed by the HP getting started. I don't think anything
> was mentioned about buying the disks for $30. Maybe I missed it, but
> when I was considering Vista, MS had some pretty decent fairly long
> videos on line that pretty reasonably covered lots of topics. From my
> post above, I think the best that could be turned up for 7 is the 7
> second videos. Ugh.

cf. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Search?q=backup&prd=Windows7

> Ah, what about the fabled Win7 transfer cable. As best I can tell it's a
> USB 2 cable.

Again, post such questions here:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/threads

From: W. eWatson on 4 Jan 2010 18:12
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Inline
>
> W. eWatson wrote:
> <snip>
>> Thanks. I stopped by Best Buy yesterday and asked them about the # DVDs
>> I would need for restore images, 3. I had spent 45 minutes in Barnes &
>> Nobles looking at Win 7 books...
>
> Windows 7 Inside Out
> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=windows+7+inside+out&hl=en&cid=15665486279643288350&sa=title#p
>
>
>> I'm not real impressed by the HP getting started. I don't think anything
>> was mentioned about buying the disks for $30. Maybe I missed it, but
>> when I was considering Vista, MS had some pretty decent fairly long
>> videos on line that pretty reasonably covered lots of topics. From my
>> post above, I think the best that could be turned up for 7 is the 7
>> second videos. Ugh.
>
> cf.
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Search?q=backup&prd=Windows7
>
>> Ah, what about the fabled Win7 transfer cable. As best I can tell it's a
>> USB 2 cable.
>
> Again, post such questions here:
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/threads
Done here. The other sites have taken a disappointingly long time to
respond. Holidays? The book will fix that.
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