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From: Barbara Duprey on 7 Jun 2010 17:15 Sam Rogers wrote: > To whom this may concern, > > I was a user of open office until today, when I exported a document as a pdf > and sent it to a potential employer - it created the pdf in a completely > illegible font which made me look ridiculous. > I've created many pdf files and have never seen such a problem, so this is very strange. Both OOo and the free "pseudo-printer" programs I've used on my Windows systems have just used my installed fonts, although one of the pseudo-printers seemed to be unable to cope with a particular font. Did you look at the pdf on your own system before you sent it? Is the recipient perhaps using some program that takes such a file and attempts to make it editable/searchable again? > The second reason I am switching to Microsoft is your software's obsession > with saving files in its own incompatible format, which cost me considerable > time to remedy when I had saved 60 or so files and needed to convert to them > to .doc files. When doing that, the layout mucked up. So generally, since I > need my software to actually work, I'm switching. That "incompatible format" is Open Document Format, the international standard for creating documents that can be interpreted from a documented file format rather than from proprietary formats known only to a single software vendor (and constantly subject to change without notice, as has happened many times with the Microsoft formats). It is not OOo's "own" format at all. By means of this "obsession" documents stored years ago by one vendor can be used by other software vendors, with no need to try to reverse engineer what was originally done. Among other things, the files are *much* smaller than the original MS formats (like .doc) -- though their new Office 2007 formats (like .docx) are more efficient. Those, however, are even more rapidly moving targets than is standard for MS. If you always want files to be produced in Office formats for some reason (such as your correspondents being unable or unwilling to switch from the MS-proprietary formats), OOo can be set to use those formats by default. As with any conversions from or to formats that are maintained on a proprietary basis, though, there will likely be some problems; how serious they are depends on the complexity of your document, your own disciplines in how carefully you maintain consistency, and so on. By the way, many people have had serious layout problems when they go from one version of MS Office to another, and some of the older MS Office documents can't be read at all by the newer versions. Of course, you are welcome to spend hundreds of dollars updating to newer versions of Office every year or so, and hoping for the best, if you really want to! In that case, I'd recommend that as soon as you go to a new version of Office, you reopen each of your existing documents and store it again in the current format, so that your old documents don't get orphaned by format changes later. That's not necessary with the ODF formats, of course. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: Robert Holtzman on 7 Jun 2010 17:28 On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 04:28:57PM +0100, Sam Rogers wrote: > To whom this may concern, > > I was a user of open office until today, when I exported a document as a pdf > and sent it to a potential employer - it created the pdf in a completely > illegible font which made me look ridiculous. > > The second reason I am switching to Microsoft is your software's obsession > with saving files in its own incompatible format, which cost me considerable > time to remedy when I had saved 60 or so files and needed to convert to them > to .doc files. When doing that, the layout mucked up. So generally, since I > need my software to actually work, I'm switching. When you saved these docs originally did you use the "save as" option or simply click on "save"? If "save" then it's user error. Next time try to learn the software before complaining. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer"
From: "Mark C. Miller" on 7 Jun 2010 18:55 On 06/07/2010 05:15 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: > By the way, many people have had serious layout problems when they go > from one version of MS Office to another, and some of the older MS > Office documents can't be read at all by the newer versions. I've seen this comment here before about reverse compatibility with new MS Office products. I've never been able to pin it down. The Microsoft website will obviously not talk about it. It seems that for every reference I can find that brings this up, there is another saying that there is no problem. I'd like to hear for sure what we're talking about. If I can get specific information, it might help me convince my employer to look at OOo. tnx mcm -- Mark C. Miller eyore15(a)comcast.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: RA Brown on 7 Jun 2010 20:15 Mark C. Miller wrote: > On 06/07/2010 05:15 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: >> By the way, many people have had serious layout problems when they go >> from one version of MS Office to another, and some of the older MS >> Office documents can't be read at all by the newer versions. > > I've seen this comment here before about reverse compatibility with new > MS Office products. I've never been able to pin it down. The Microsoft > website will obviously not talk about it. It seems that for every > reference I can find that brings this up, there is another saying that > there is no problem. > > I'd like to hear for sure what we're talking about. > > If I can get specific information, it might help me convince my employer > to look at OOo. > > tnx > > mcm > Hi Mark, I found the following link in an article about the changes with Office 2003 SP 3. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938810/en-us links from http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/01/137257 . The MS work-around seems to confirm there will be problems with older file formats. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: Barbara Duprey on 7 Jun 2010 20:47
Mark C. Miller wrote: > On 06/07/2010 05:15 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: >> By the way, many people have had serious layout problems when they go >> from one version of MS Office to another, and some of the older MS >> Office documents can't be read at all by the newer versions. > > I've seen this comment here before about reverse compatibility with > new MS Office products. I've never been able to pin it down. The > Microsoft website will obviously not talk about it. It seems that for > every reference I can find that brings this up, there is another > saying that there is no problem. > > I'd like to hear for sure what we're talking about. > > If I can get specific information, it might help me convince my > employer to look at OOo. > > tnx > > mcm I think the part about not being able to read old formats would be pretty easy to back up, but I don't have specifics of layout issues version-to-version. I probably saw stuff in PC Magazine or somewhere that discussed it, and comments here from people who had trouble, but maybe somebody else can provide more definitive info. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org |