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From: Robert on 1 Feb 2008 21:01 On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:17:27 GMT, "William M. Klein" <wmklein(a)nospam.netcom.com> wrote: >"Robert" <no(a)e.mail> wrote in message >news:5so6q3l17qiq3gf69mi6bfk976dh1p0hc5(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >> ><snip> >> Web access is almost universal nowadays. But they need SOME way to lower >> contractors' >> social status. Denial of VPN access is a popular choice. Chicago roads were >> terrible >> this morning due to a snowstorm. Contractors had to drive in it while >> employees worked >> from home. The parking lot was more than half empty. There is no valid >> security reason >> when SecureID is used. VPN ports don't cost anything in royalties. >> >Robert, > As someone who lives in suburban Chicago, I am aware of what roads were like >today. I don't know a HUGE number of contractors, but the ones that I do know >were all (as usual) able to work from home. Are you on a current contract that >doesn't give you web access? About what percentage of those contractors that >you know are not able to work from home (when employees are)? I talked to someone from a sister team and learned all THEIR contractors have VPN access. Our consensus was it all depends on the manager's attitude toward contractors. It's a Soft thing, not company policy. Everyone in the company has Web access. All 3 contractors on my team do not have VPN access. One of them made a major effort to get it. I was amazed at how rapidly roads were cleaned. They were terrible at 9am, clear at noon. I had no delay going home for lunch.
From: Robert on 1 Feb 2008 21:05 On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:55 +1300, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > > >"Robert" <no(a)e.mail> wrote in message >news:p4d6q3hg7qlidtj2sc556ttnkqtcduq5ki(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:31:32 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >> >>>In article <1u65q3l1v0rcriqpa82bvev2p8j9hiqcdq(a)4ax.com>, >>>Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote: >> >>>>Manuals are as close as your Web browser. >>> >>>Mr Wagner, I saw my first DB2 installation in 1987... and I worked on >>>sites where consultants/contractors/hired guns were not allowed web-access >>>into the mid-1990s. >> >> I worked at place with such a policy in 2001. When I needed to look >> something up in a >> manual, I drove home to do it. Time per lookup was 30-45 minutes. >> >> Only gubbermint gets away with such inefficiency. > >Hmmm... :-) > >If I thought anyone on my team was beng that obtuse, they wouldn't be on it >for very long. :-) Obtuse: dense: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity. Who are you calling obtuse?
From: Pete Dashwood on 2 Feb 2008 08:16 "Robert" <no(a)e.mail> wrote in message news:5sj7q3tm90cp7t9i1e95oie89ccn65iacc(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:55 +1300, "Pete Dashwood" > <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> > wrote: > >> >> >>"Robert" <no(a)e.mail> wrote in message >>news:p4d6q3hg7qlidtj2sc556ttnkqtcduq5ki(a)4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:31:32 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >>> >>>>In article <1u65q3l1v0rcriqpa82bvev2p8j9hiqcdq(a)4ax.com>, >>>>Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote: >>> >>>>>Manuals are as close as your Web browser. >>>> >>>>Mr Wagner, I saw my first DB2 installation in 1987... and I worked on >>>>sites where consultants/contractors/hired guns were not allowed >>>>web-access >>>>into the mid-1990s. >>> >>> I worked at place with such a policy in 2001. When I needed to look >>> something up in a >>> manual, I drove home to do it. Time per lookup was 30-45 minutes. >>> >>> Only gubbermint gets away with such inefficiency. >> >>Hmmm... :-) >> >>If I thought anyone on my team was beng that obtuse, they wouldn't be on >>it >>for very long. :-) > > Obtuse: dense: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity. It has other overtones besides those. It can also mean obstructive or deliberately indirect. NOT sharp,.pointed or acute The Free Dictionary gives one meaning as: "Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity: an obtuse remark" (or action...) Meriam-Webster gives: "lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect" and gives "insensitive" and "stupid" as synonyms. I think that covers it pretty well, at least in the context in which I used it :-). >Who are you > calling obtuse? Someone who thinks it is OK to drive home to consult a manual when they could easily take it to work or ensure that the workplace obtain one... Not a sensitive or supportive action, in my opinion, and so I wouldn't tolerate it. (If they charged the drive time against my project, I would not approve the time sheet, either...) Pete. -- "I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
From: Anonymous on 2 Feb 2008 08:19 In article <5so6q3l17qiq3gf69mi6bfk976dh1p0hc5(a)4ax.com>, Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote: >On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: > >>In article <p4d6q3hg7qlidtj2sc556ttnkqtcduq5ki(a)4ax.com>, >>Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote: >>>On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:31:32 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >>> >>>>In article <1u65q3l1v0rcriqpa82bvev2p8j9hiqcdq(a)4ax.com>, >>>>Robert <no(a)e.mail> wrote: >>> >>>>>Manuals are as close as your Web browser. >>>> >>>>Mr Wagner, I saw my first DB2 installation in 1987... and I worked on >>>>sites where consultants/contractors/hired guns were not allowed web-access >>>>into the mid-1990s. >>> >>>I worked at place with such a policy in 2001. >> >>So, Mr Wagner... since you worked as such a place at some point is it >>reasonable to conclude that you are working at such a place now? > >Web access is almost universal nowadays. But for at least one place where you worked... it was not. That fact might, I believe, allow you to say that 'at a place where I worked consultants/contractors/hired guns did not have on-the-job web access.' What caused you to have such difficulty understanding this construction for another aspect of technology... I have no idea. DD
From: Anonymous on 2 Feb 2008 08:25
In article <qEOoj.26935$m_6.14703(a)fe01.news.easynews.com>, William M. Klein <wmklein(a)nospam.netcom.com> wrote: [snip] >About what percentage of those contractors that >you know are not able to work from home (when employees are)? I cannot speak for Mr Wagner's experience but I have a few decades' worth of experience as a consultant/contractor/hired gun... and my present client is the first one that has permitted me to log on remotely. I was not given the ability to do so for my first three years on site and even now I looked at... askance if I use it as a substitute for driving down to the office. DD |