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From: Graham Mayor on 22 May 2010 01:38 Almost certainly the newsgroups will live on. What is changing is the link to Microsoft's help forums, which (like many other similar web forums) have been interfaced with the MS News server so what appears in one medium should also appear in another. In future that link will be broken and the help forums will change. NNTP access will then only be available to the new Microsoft Answers forum via the NNTP Bridge. A new bridge for that purpose was supposed to be available yesterday, but so far I see no sign of it at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ Because of the way newsgroups are peered in Usenet, they will have a life of their own even if/when Microsoft turns off their server. You will of course need to find another text newsgroup server if you wish to continue using them. There are plenty out there to choose from. Your ISP may provide a news feed and that would be the first place to look. After that you need to look for free text based news servers. They should also continue to be available via Google Groups. Inevitably as Microsoft steers its users elsewhere for their help, traffic levels on the newsgroups will fall, and moderation may go out of the window as Microsoft will not be spam filtering :( -- <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> "Robert Macy" <macy(a)california.com> wrote in message news:2e8530cd-0e0b-48d7-9224-887f8bccb8a7(a)t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com... > How many, which ones, of microsoftusenet groups will disappear? > > Will this one, too?
From: Graham Mayor on 22 May 2010 02:56 OK the link to the new bridge is now working - which is more than can be said for the bridge. Let's hope it is sorted out over the weekend :( -- <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message news:uahS1DX%23KHA.3280(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Almost certainly the newsgroups will live on. What is changing is the link > to Microsoft's help forums, which (like many other similar web forums) > have been interfaced with the MS News server so what appears in one medium > should also appear in another. In future that link will be broken and the > help forums will change. NNTP access will then only be available to the > new Microsoft Answers forum via the NNTP Bridge. A new bridge for that > purpose was supposed to be available yesterday, but so far I see no sign > of it at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ > > Because of the way newsgroups are peered in Usenet, they will have a life > of their own even if/when Microsoft turns off their server. You will of > course need to find another text newsgroup server if you wish to continue > using them. There are plenty out there to choose from. Your ISP may > provide a news feed and that would be the first place to look. After that > you need to look for free text based news servers. They should also > continue to be available via Google Groups. > > Inevitably as Microsoft steers its users elsewhere for their help, traffic > levels on the newsgroups will fall, and moderation may go out of the > window as Microsoft will not be spam filtering :( > > -- > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > Graham Mayor - Word MVP > > My web site www.gmayor.com > Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > > > "Robert Macy" <macy(a)california.com> wrote in message > news:2e8530cd-0e0b-48d7-9224-887f8bccb8a7(a)t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com... >> How many, which ones, of microsoftusenet groups will disappear? >> >> Will this one, too? > >
From: Yves Dhondt on 22 May 2010 16:18 The problems with the 'new bridge' will be exactly the same as with the old one. The only changes are that the port is now configurable and that it connects to the same service on a different server. Basically they split the load and that's it. I guess the upside is that there are now less other forums/threads where your post might end up if it goes wrong again. For the people who can't run the original NNTP bridge because they have already running something on port 119, this implementation could be a workaround. All they would have to do is copy the files from the new bridge to another directory, and edit NntpBridge.exe.config. If they change the ForumsWebServiceUrl to the old one, and set the NntpServerPort to something they like, they are good to go. Yves "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message news:O8ckuvX%23KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > OK the link to the new bridge is now working - which is more than can be > said for the bridge. Let's hope it is sorted out over the weekend :( > > -- > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > Graham Mayor - Word MVP > > My web site www.gmayor.com > Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > > > "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message > news:uahS1DX%23KHA.3280(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Almost certainly the newsgroups will live on. What is changing is the >> link to Microsoft's help forums, which (like many other similar web >> forums) have been interfaced with the MS News server so what appears in >> one medium should also appear in another. In future that link will be >> broken and the help forums will change. NNTP access will then only be >> available to the new Microsoft Answers forum via the NNTP Bridge. A new >> bridge for that purpose was supposed to be available yesterday, but so >> far I see no sign of it at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ >> >> Because of the way newsgroups are peered in Usenet, they will have a life >> of their own even if/when Microsoft turns off their server. You will of >> course need to find another text newsgroup server if you wish to continue >> using them. There are plenty out there to choose from. Your ISP may >> provide a news feed and that would be the first place to look. After that >> you need to look for free text based news servers. They should also >> continue to be available via Google Groups. >> >> Inevitably as Microsoft steers its users elsewhere for their help, >> traffic levels on the newsgroups will fall, and moderation may go out of >> the window as Microsoft will not be spam filtering :( >> >> -- >> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >> Graham Mayor - Word MVP >> >> My web site www.gmayor.com >> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org >> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >> >> >> "Robert Macy" <macy(a)california.com> wrote in message >> news:2e8530cd-0e0b-48d7-9224-887f8bccb8a7(a)t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com... >>> How many, which ones, of microsoftusenet groups will disappear? >>> >>> Will this one, too? >> >> > >
From: Graham Mayor on 23 May 2010 02:22 My comments were addressed more towards the fact that the new bridge was released to the public yesterday and it simply didn't work. It crashed every time with a variety of error messages. There were howls of complaint in the MVP private newsgroups yesterday from other MVPs around the world who were having the same problems. This morning I haven't checked the bridge yet, but at least it appears to have downloaded the message headers without error, so the signs are a little more hopeful. As for the port, some ISPs and some companies block port 119 to prevent newsgroup access. Having a configurable port should get around that - but for others port 119 should still work if the application is re-directed there - even if other news-servers are using port 119. Most users can leave the new bridge set with the default port of 120. My understanding - though again I haven't checked as nothing was working properly yesterday - is that the Answers forum access has been removed from the old bridge. I don't know what the thinking behind that was as if you are not registered with the other services - MSDN etc - , the old bridge should not be able to post in them. -- <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> "Yves Dhondt" <yves.dhondt(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:emF4sve%23KHA.5164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > The problems with the 'new bridge' will be exactly the same as with the > old one. The only changes are that the port is now configurable and that > it connects to the same service on a different server. Basically they > split the load and that's it. I guess the upside is that there are now > less other forums/threads where your post might end up if it goes wrong > again. > > For the people who can't run the original NNTP bridge because they have > already running something on port 119, this implementation could be a > workaround. All they would have to do is copy the files from the new > bridge to another directory, and edit NntpBridge.exe.config. If they > change the ForumsWebServiceUrl to the old one, and set the NntpServerPort > to something they like, they are good to go. > > Yves > > "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message > news:O8ckuvX%23KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> OK the link to the new bridge is now working - which is more than can be >> said for the bridge. Let's hope it is sorted out over the weekend :( >> >> -- >> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >> Graham Mayor - Word MVP >> >> My web site www.gmayor.com >> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org >> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >> >> >> "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message >> news:uahS1DX%23KHA.3280(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Almost certainly the newsgroups will live on. What is changing is the >>> link to Microsoft's help forums, which (like many other similar web >>> forums) have been interfaced with the MS News server so what appears in >>> one medium should also appear in another. In future that link will be >>> broken and the help forums will change. NNTP access will then only be >>> available to the new Microsoft Answers forum via the NNTP Bridge. A new >>> bridge for that purpose was supposed to be available yesterday, but so >>> far I see no sign of it at http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ >>> >>> Because of the way newsgroups are peered in Usenet, they will have a >>> life of their own even if/when Microsoft turns off their server. You >>> will of course need to find another text newsgroup server if you wish to >>> continue using them. There are plenty out there to choose from. Your ISP >>> may provide a news feed and that would be the first place to look. After >>> that you need to look for free text based news servers. They should also >>> continue to be available via Google Groups. >>> >>> Inevitably as Microsoft steers its users elsewhere for their help, >>> traffic levels on the newsgroups will fall, and moderation may go out of >>> the window as Microsoft will not be spam filtering :( >>> >>> -- >>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >>> Graham Mayor - Word MVP >>> >>> My web site www.gmayor.com >>> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org >>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >>> >>> >>> "Robert Macy" <macy(a)california.com> wrote in message >>> news:2e8530cd-0e0b-48d7-9224-887f8bccb8a7(a)t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com... >>>> How many, which ones, of microsoftusenet groups will disappear? >>>> >>>> Will this one, too? >>> >>> >> >> >
From: Graham Mayor on 23 May 2010 03:51
I have now checked and the bridge problems of yesterday seem to have been fixed. -- <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message news:%230MrdBk%23KHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > My comments were addressed more towards the fact that the new bridge was > released to the public yesterday and it simply didn't work. It crashed > every time with a variety of error messages. There were howls of complaint > in the MVP private newsgroups yesterday from other MVPs around the world > who were having the same problems. This morning I haven't checked the > bridge yet, but at least it appears to have downloaded the message headers > without error, so the signs are a little more hopeful. > > As for the port, some ISPs and some companies block port 119 to prevent > newsgroup access. Having a configurable port should get around that - but > for others port 119 should still work if the application is re-directed > there - even if other news-servers are using port 119. Most users can > leave the new bridge set with the default port of 120. > > My understanding - though again I haven't checked as nothing was working > properly yesterday - is that the Answers forum access has been removed > from the old bridge. I don't know what the thinking behind that was as if > you are not registered with the other services - MSDN etc - , the old > bridge should not be able to post in them. > > -- > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > Graham Mayor - Word MVP > > My web site www.gmayor.com > Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > > > "Yves Dhondt" <yves.dhondt(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:emF4sve%23KHA.5164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> The problems with the 'new bridge' will be exactly the same as with the >> old one. The only changes are that the port is now configurable and that >> it connects to the same service on a different server. Basically they >> split the load and that's it. I guess the upside is that there are now >> less other forums/threads where your post might end up if it goes wrong >> again. >> >> For the people who can't run the original NNTP bridge because they have >> already running something on port 119, this implementation could be a >> workaround. All they would have to do is copy the files from the new >> bridge to another directory, and edit NntpBridge.exe.config. If they >> change the ForumsWebServiceUrl to the old one, and set the NntpServerPort >> to something they like, they are good to go. >> >> Yves >> >> "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message >> news:O8ckuvX%23KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> OK the link to the new bridge is now working - which is more than can be >>> said for the bridge. Let's hope it is sorted out over the weekend :( >>> >>> -- >>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >>> Graham Mayor - Word MVP >>> >>> My web site www.gmayor.com >>> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org >>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >>> >>> >>> "Graham Mayor" <gmayor(a)REMOVETHISmvps.org> wrote in message >>> news:uahS1DX%23KHA.3280(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Almost certainly the newsgroups will live on. What is changing is the >>>> link to Microsoft's help forums, which (like many other similar web >>>> forums) have been interfaced with the MS News server so what appears in >>>> one medium should also appear in another. In future that link will be >>>> broken and the help forums will change. NNTP access will then only be >>>> available to the new Microsoft Answers forum via the NNTP Bridge. A new >>>> bridge for that purpose was supposed to be available yesterday, but so >>>> far I see no sign of it at >>>> http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ >>>> >>>> Because of the way newsgroups are peered in Usenet, they will have a >>>> life of their own even if/when Microsoft turns off their server. You >>>> will of course need to find another text newsgroup server if you wish >>>> to continue using them. There are plenty out there to choose from. Your >>>> ISP may provide a news feed and that would be the first place to look. >>>> After that you need to look for free text based news servers. They >>>> should also continue to be available via Google Groups. >>>> >>>> Inevitably as Microsoft steers its users elsewhere for their help, >>>> traffic levels on the newsgroups will fall, and moderation may go out >>>> of the window as Microsoft will not be spam filtering :( >>>> >>>> -- >>>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >>>> Graham Mayor - Word MVP >>>> >>>> My web site www.gmayor.com >>>> Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org >>>> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Robert Macy" <macy(a)california.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2e8530cd-0e0b-48d7-9224-887f8bccb8a7(a)t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com... >>>>> How many, which ones, of microsoftusenet groups will disappear? >>>>> >>>>> Will this one, too? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |