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From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 18 Oct 2009 20:49 "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:hbgcn4$k3q$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Ron" <ron(a)lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message > news:K4SdnXQnnepMnUbXnZ2dnUVZ8kpi4p2d(a)bt.com... >> Arny Krueger wrote: >> >> Mostly Irrelevant text snipped >>> >>> And BTW thats another reason why the resident bozos around here hate me >>> so much - I come from a recording background, so I know about doing >>> finer quality sound, which is only possible under more controllable >>> circumstances. Live sound is by definition heard only once so many warts >>> pass. Recordings can be forever and people listen to them over and over >>> agin and they will hear far smaller errors. >>> >>> >> No Arny No one hates you, > > Actually Ron a lot of people here do hate Arnold and with good reason. He > is a blight on this newsgroup, so controlled by his overblown ego he > cannot see he is surrounded by people with vastly more knowledge and > experience in live sound who can see clearly he is nothing but a blowhard > wannabe. > > Phildo I don't "hate" arnii,I pity him, I laugh at him, berate him, punish him, ridicule him, wish him away but I save hate for someone worthy of that emotion > >
From: Ron on 19 Oct 2009 07:14 Phildo wrote: > "Ron" <ron(a)lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message > news:K4SdnXQnnepMnUbXnZ2dnUVZ8kpi4p2d(a)bt.com... >> Arny Krueger wrote: >> >> Mostly Irrelevant text snipped >>> And BTW thats another reason why the resident bozos around here hate me >>> so much - I come from a recording background, so I know about doing finer >>> quality sound, which is only possible under more controllable >>> circumstances. Live sound is by definition heard only once so many warts >>> pass. Recordings can be forever and people listen to them over and over >>> agin and they will hear far smaller errors. >>> >>> >> No Arny No one hates you, > > Actually Ron a lot of people here do hate Arnold and with good reason. He is > a blight on this newsgroup, so controlled by his overblown ego he cannot see > he is surrounded by people with vastly more knowledge and experience in live > sound who can see clearly he is nothing but a blowhard wannabe. > > Phildo > > Ok, I`ll rephrase, I don't hate him, I don't hate anyone. In the grand scale of things, he's just a minor irritation, a fly in the honeypot of life. I feel sad for Arny, in my opinion he needs help and is too proud to seek it. I hope he has more sucess with his relationships in real life. Actually, I feel annoyed with myself for getting involved again. The Midas remark was a cracker tho ;) Ron
From: Arny Krueger on 19 Oct 2009 07:31 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)removethishotmail.com> wrote in message news:012422ab$0$22455$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com > Phildo wrote: >> "Eeyore" >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)removethishotmail.com> wrote >> in message >> news:000a544b$0$2634$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> Arny Krueger wrote: >>>> Adding an analog mixer adds noise and distortion. >>> I suggest you examine the data sheets for National's >>> LME49710/20/40 or TI's OPA211/2211 before making any >>> more daft comments like that. >>> The world is analogue, not digital. Shall we now >>> discuss the failings of A/D and D/A converters ? >> You are just a luddite, an unemployable one at that who >> is angry that the audio world has gone digital while you >> and your analogue design skills have been left behind. > You can't have good digital sound without good analogue > front and back ends. Mic amps come to mind in particular. Modern converters have sufficient dynamic range that mic preamps can be far less important than they have been in the past. Do the math - impedance matching and perhaps a tiny amount of gain is all you need to front end a modern converter with 120 dB dynamic range. The main signal handing DACs should be relegated to power amps. A modern console only absolutely needs its own DACs for utility functions like the headphone jack.
From: Arny Krueger on 19 Oct 2009 07:33 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)removethishotmail.com> wrote in message news:00429964$0$1807$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com > Arny Krueger wrote: >> >> I could stop posting here tomorrow, and you'd still be >> venting at me a year from now. > I can't even remotely imagine that. That's your problem, Graham. > Ron's simply letting you know some uncomfortable truths. Ron is living the lies that Phildo and George have programmed him with. He's just another coward who enables AAPLS remaining the joke of the live sound industry. > If you didn't go out > on a limb saying daft things I'm sure he'd have no issue > with you at all. You are obviously ignorant of his recent crazy antics.
From: Arny Krueger on 19 Oct 2009 07:39
"Rupert" <foodsteaks(a)linkline.com> wrote in message news:43a5493b-d350-4acd-9693-f6be3183e895(a)h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com > On Oct 18, 3:59 am, "Arny Krueger" <ar...(a)hotpop.com> > wrote: >> "Rupert" <foodste...(a)linkline.com> wrote in message >> >> news:9180a776-d380-4e87-bf36-b1b7e0071cfd(a)b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 17, 5:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...(a)hotpop.com> >>> wrote: >>>> "Eeyore" >>>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)removethishotmail.com> >>>> wrote in >>>> messagenews:000a544b$0$2634$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com >> >>>>> Arny Krueger wrote: >>>>>> Adding an analog mixer adds noise and distortion. >>>>> I suggest you examine the data sheets for National's >>>>> LME49710/20/40 or TI's OPA211/2211 before making any >>>>> more daft comments like that. >> >>>> So Graham, you want people to believe that a typical >>>> analog mixer has only one op amp in its signal path? >> >>>>> The world is analogue, > not digital. >> >>>> The world of today is hybrid. >> >>>>> Shall we now discuss the failings of A/D and D/A >>>>> converters ? >> >>>> If modern converters are so bad Graham, why are so many >>>> people on AAPLS buying consoles, equalizers, and >>>> amplifier management systems that contain them? >> >>> Admittedly, there is some validity to his belief. >> >> Some validity? It's a very strong market trend. >> >>> But the convenience, cost effectiveness, and >>> versatility of DSP/digital desks trumps any of the >>> sonic issues with A/D & D/A. >> >> You're wrong there, because there are no sonic issues >> with good converters. > > Until there is a converter is capable of nearly infinite > resolution, there will always be some errors in tracking > and reproducing an analog waveform. So what? There is often far more errors and tracking and reproducing analog waveforms in the analog domain. Once audio signals are placed into the digital domain, they can be processed almost endlessly without any loss of resolution or bandwidth, other than that which may be intentional. What I see Rupert is that you have bought into the mistaken belief that the analog world has infinite resolution. Anybody who knows how real world audio gear works, and has a University sophomore's understanding of information theory knows better. |