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From: Paul Furman on 6 May 2010 11:55 Dudley Hanks wrote: > "Robert Coe" <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote in message > news:hl01u5h9bpo8d97mjkab6cbfq0sk1g0pji(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 04 May 2010 00:31:35 GMT, "Dudley Hanks" >> <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> >> wrote: >> : http://www.nothingnotpossible.com/cgi-bin/NotPossible/UnderConstruction >> : >> : Take Care, >> : Dudley >> >> Go with the last one of the four, but don't crop it at all on the right. >> The >> way you've got it costs you too much of the car. >> >> Bob > > Thanks, Bob, I didn't realize I'd chopped part of the car off in that one. > IrfanView lets me select a portion of the image by inputting numbers, but my > screen reader doesn't tell me what field name goes with what data field, so > I'm in the process of figuring out what happens when I punch in different > number combos. > > I've redone it and uploaded one that should be a bit better. It's what I > was aiming for with that last one. Can we see the original un-cropped version? The only thing bugging me here is Mitch's eye is near the middle of the frame no matter how I crop. -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam
From: Dudley Hanks on 6 May 2010 20:42 "Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message news:hruoqf$hfk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Dudley Hanks wrote: >> "Robert Coe" <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote in message >> news:hl01u5h9bpo8d97mjkab6cbfq0sk1g0pji(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 04 May 2010 00:31:35 GMT, "Dudley Hanks" >>> <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> >>> wrote: >>> : >>> http://www.nothingnotpossible.com/cgi-bin/NotPossible/UnderConstruction >>> : >>> : Take Care, >>> : Dudley >>> >>> Go with the last one of the four, but don't crop it at all on the right. >>> The >>> way you've got it costs you too much of the car. >>> >>> Bob >> >> Thanks, Bob, I didn't realize I'd chopped part of the car off in that >> one. IrfanView lets me select a portion of the image by inputting >> numbers, but my screen reader doesn't tell me what field name goes with >> what data field, so I'm in the process of figuring out what happens when >> I punch in different number combos. >> >> I've redone it and uploaded one that should be a bit better. It's what I >> was aiming for with that last one. > > Can we see the original un-cropped version? The only thing bugging me here > is Mitch's eye is near the middle of the frame no matter how I crop. > > -- > Paul Furman > www.edgehill.net > www.baynatives.com > > all google groups messages filtered due to spam I've uploaded the original file, called MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg, it should look like the IMG_4244.jpg pic, but hasn't been down-sized. The position of Mich's head is the reason why I was looking for a better crop. As described to me, it sounds like Mich's head is right in the center. I thought that cropping off the top, would at least raise his head above the horizontal center-line, although leaving the width untouched still leaves his head centered left to right. Bob's suggestion to cut a bit off the left addressed that issue, but trying to leave a bit of harness showing limits how much it can be moved side-to-side. It's one of those shots that gives me the affect I'm after, but the positioning of the elements is awkward. I'll probably do a few more shoots and see if I can shift Mich a bit to the right at time of capture. But, I'm afraid that will leave the car either looking too far away to keep the drama up, or else will reduce the significance of Mich at the expense of a huge automobile. What do you think? Take Care, Dudley
From: Paul Furman on 8 May 2010 01:19 Dudley Hanks wrote: > "Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message > news:hruoqf$hfk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>> "Robert Coe" <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote in message >>> news:hl01u5h9bpo8d97mjkab6cbfq0sk1g0pji(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 04 May 2010 00:31:35 GMT, "Dudley Hanks" >>>> <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> >>>> wrote: >>>> : >>>> http://www.nothingnotpossible.com/cgi-bin/NotPossible/UnderConstruction >>>> : >>>> : Take Care, >>>> : Dudley >>>> >>>> Go with the last one of the four, but don't crop it at all on the right. >>>> The >>>> way you've got it costs you too much of the car. >>>> >>>> Bob >>> Thanks, Bob, I didn't realize I'd chopped part of the car off in that >>> one. IrfanView lets me select a portion of the image by inputting >>> numbers, but my screen reader doesn't tell me what field name goes with >>> what data field, so I'm in the process of figuring out what happens when >>> I punch in different number combos. >>> >>> I've redone it and uploaded one that should be a bit better. It's what I >>> was aiming for with that last one. >> Can we see the original un-cropped version? The only thing bugging me here >> is Mitch's eye is near the middle of the frame no matter how I crop. > > I've uploaded the original file, called MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg, it > should look like the IMG_4244.jpg pic, but hasn't been down-sized. The first & fourth show more sky, totherwise they seem the same. Your page source code shows these links: http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/IMG_4244.JPG (more sky) http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar.jpg http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar2.jpg (more sky) http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar3.jpg Here's my crop from the first link: http://edgehill.net/1/temp//IMG_4244.JPG I had to chop off all the harness, and rotated some. > The position of Mich's head is the reason why I was looking for a better > crop. As described to me, it sounds like Mich's head is right in the > center. I thought that cropping off the top, would at least raise his head > above the horizontal center-line, although leaving the width untouched still > leaves his head centered left to right. > > Bob's suggestion to cut a bit off the left addressed that issue, but trying > to leave a bit of harness showing limits how much it can be moved > side-to-side. > > It's one of those shots that gives me the affect I'm after, but the > positioning of the elements is awkward. > > I'll probably do a few more shoots and see if I can shift Mich a bit to the > right at time of capture. But, I'm afraid that will leave the car either > looking too far away to keep the drama up, or else will reduce the > significance of Mich at the expense of a huge automobile. > > What do you think? Wider zoom, so he's huge and the car is small, and he's off to the side. Also the position of the horizon relative to his face is important, though I'm not sure what's best, I kind of like the way that relationship works at his eye level and the car's level. But maybe more drama with his head against the sky, looking up at him. -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam
From: Dudley Hanks on 8 May 2010 02:19 "Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message news:hs2s9d$acm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Dudley Hanks wrote: >> "Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message >> news:hruoqf$hfk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>>> "Robert Coe" <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote in message >>>> news:hl01u5h9bpo8d97mjkab6cbfq0sk1g0pji(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 04 May 2010 00:31:35 GMT, "Dudley Hanks" >>>>> <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> : >>>>> http://www.nothingnotpossible.com/cgi-bin/NotPossible/UnderConstruction >>>>> : >>>>> : Take Care, >>>>> : Dudley >>>>> >>>>> Go with the last one of the four, but don't crop it at all on the >>>>> right. The >>>>> way you've got it costs you too much of the car. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>> Thanks, Bob, I didn't realize I'd chopped part of the car off in that >>>> one. IrfanView lets me select a portion of the image by inputting >>>> numbers, but my screen reader doesn't tell me what field name goes with >>>> what data field, so I'm in the process of figuring out what happens >>>> when I punch in different number combos. >>>> >>>> I've redone it and uploaded one that should be a bit better. It's what >>>> I was aiming for with that last one. >>> Can we see the original un-cropped version? The only thing bugging me >>> here is Mitch's eye is near the middle of the frame no matter how I >>> crop. >> >> I've uploaded the original file, called MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg, it >> should look like the IMG_4244.jpg pic, but hasn't been down-sized. > > The first & fourth show more sky, totherwise they seem the same. > Your page source code shows these links: > > http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/IMG_4244.JPG (more sky) > http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg > http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar.jpg > http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar2.jpg (more sky) > http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar3.jpg > > Here's my crop from the first link: > http://edgehill.net/1/temp//IMG_4244.JPG > I had to chop off all the harness, and rotated some. > > >> The position of Mich's head is the reason why I was looking for a better >> crop. As described to me, it sounds like Mich's head is right in the >> center. I thought that cropping off the top, would at least raise his >> head above the horizontal center-line, although leaving the width >> untouched still leaves his head centered left to right. >> >> Bob's suggestion to cut a bit off the left addressed that issue, but >> trying to leave a bit of harness showing limits how much it can be moved >> side-to-side. >> >> It's one of those shots that gives me the affect I'm after, but the >> positioning of the elements is awkward. >> >> I'll probably do a few more shoots and see if I can shift Mich a bit to >> the right at time of capture. But, I'm afraid that will leave the car >> either looking too far away to keep the drama up, or else will reduce the >> significance of Mich at the expense of a huge automobile. >> >> What do you think? > > Wider zoom, so he's huge and the car is small, and he's off to the side. > Also the position of the horizon relative to his face is important, though > I'm not sure what's best, I kind of like the way that relationship works > at his eye level and the car's level. But maybe more drama with his head > against the sky, looking up at him. > > > -- > Paul Furman > www.edgehill.net > www.baynatives.com > > all google groups messages filtered due to spam The widest I can zoom out to is 18mm, and I think that one was at 23mm, so I've only got a little more width I can add to the angle. But, I'll give it a try. Also, I'll try pulling the camera in a bit and shifting it down and in towards his front leg. Hopefully, that will bring Mich over to the left (if I swivel the lens a bit to the right) enough to increase his size and shrink the car a bit, without pushing the car too far off into the distance. Trying to get Mich's head up in the sky is going to be a challenge, but I think you're right. With the light sky behind him, his lines should look more stark, hopefully accentuating his sense of concentration. If I can pull everything together, do you think the result will be suitable for BW? Or, is colour the way to go? Thanks, Dudley
From: ken d on 8 May 2010 02:26
On Sat, 08 May 2010 06:19:33 GMT, "Dudley Hanks" <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> wrote: > >"Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message >news:hs2s9d$acm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>> "Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message >>> news:hruoqf$hfk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> Dudley Hanks wrote: >>>>> "Robert Coe" <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote in message >>>>> news:hl01u5h9bpo8d97mjkab6cbfq0sk1g0pji(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 04 May 2010 00:31:35 GMT, "Dudley Hanks" >>>>>> <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> : >>>>>> http://www.nothingnotpossible.com/cgi-bin/NotPossible/UnderConstruction >>>>>> : >>>>>> : Take Care, >>>>>> : Dudley >>>>>> >>>>>> Go with the last one of the four, but don't crop it at all on the >>>>>> right. The >>>>>> way you've got it costs you too much of the car. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob >>>>> Thanks, Bob, I didn't realize I'd chopped part of the car off in that >>>>> one. IrfanView lets me select a portion of the image by inputting >>>>> numbers, but my screen reader doesn't tell me what field name goes with >>>>> what data field, so I'm in the process of figuring out what happens >>>>> when I punch in different number combos. >>>>> >>>>> I've redone it and uploaded one that should be a bit better. It's what >>>>> I was aiming for with that last one. >>>> Can we see the original un-cropped version? The only thing bugging me >>>> here is Mitch's eye is near the middle of the frame no matter how I >>>> crop. >>> >>> I've uploaded the original file, called MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg, it >>> should look like the IMG_4244.jpg pic, but hasn't been down-sized. >> >> The first & fourth show more sky, totherwise they seem the same. >> Your page source code shows these links: >> >> http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/IMG_4244.JPG (more sky) >> http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar-FullSize.jpg >> http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar.jpg >> http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar2.jpg (more sky) >> http://www.blind-apertures.ca/images/MichByFastCar3.jpg >> >> Here's my crop from the first link: >> http://edgehill.net/1/temp//IMG_4244.JPG >> I had to chop off all the harness, and rotated some. >> >> >>> The position of Mich's head is the reason why I was looking for a better >>> crop. As described to me, it sounds like Mich's head is right in the >>> center. I thought that cropping off the top, would at least raise his >>> head above the horizontal center-line, although leaving the width >>> untouched still leaves his head centered left to right. >>> >>> Bob's suggestion to cut a bit off the left addressed that issue, but >>> trying to leave a bit of harness showing limits how much it can be moved >>> side-to-side. >>> >>> It's one of those shots that gives me the affect I'm after, but the >>> positioning of the elements is awkward. >>> >>> I'll probably do a few more shoots and see if I can shift Mich a bit to >>> the right at time of capture. But, I'm afraid that will leave the car >>> either looking too far away to keep the drama up, or else will reduce the >>> significance of Mich at the expense of a huge automobile. >>> >>> What do you think? >> >> Wider zoom, so he's huge and the car is small, and he's off to the side. >> Also the position of the horizon relative to his face is important, though >> I'm not sure what's best, I kind of like the way that relationship works >> at his eye level and the car's level. But maybe more drama with his head >> against the sky, looking up at him. >> >> >> -- >> Paul Furman >> www.edgehill.net >> www.baynatives.com >> >> all google groups messages filtered due to spam > >The widest I can zoom out to is 18mm, and I think that one was at 23mm, so >I've only got a little more width I can add to the angle. But, I'll give it >a try. > >Also, I'll try pulling the camera in a bit and shifting it down and in >towards his front leg. Hopefully, that will bring Mich over to the left (if >I swivel the lens a bit to the right) enough to increase his size and shrink >the car a bit, without pushing the car too far off into the distance. > >Trying to get Mich's head up in the sky is going to be a challenge, but I >think you're right. With the light sky behind him, his lines should look >more stark, hopefully accentuating his sense of concentration. > >If I can pull everything together, do you think the result will be suitable >for BW? Or, is colour the way to go? > >Thanks, >Dudley > I've got a better idea. Give your camera to a sighted person so they all won't have to do all this work for you. Make sure you credit everyone else who has ever created your photography for you. But I suppose you could list yourself as "the person who only held the fully-automated camera while firing off random snapshots in the general direction". |