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From: William Black on 17 Jul 2010 08:02 On 16/07/10 23:30, Robert Coe wrote: > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. > It's a bloody good job the British and the Egyptians and the Dutch and the Beligians and the French and the Germans and the Indians and the Russians don't hold grudges isn't it Or is it only allowed in the continental United States? -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
From: Claire on 17 Jul 2010 10:22 On 16 July, 23:30, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:30:50 +0100, Martin Brown<|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > : Remember that in the UK we have lived with the threat of US funded IRA > : terrorists blowing up our shopping centres and infrastructure for over > : four decades. Islamic terrorists are more willing to inflict gratuitous > : civilian casualties but large bombs in our cities are not new. > : > : BTW Yesterday was the peak of the rioting season in Northern Ireland. > > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. > > I don't hold any brief for the IRA. (As it happens, I'm of British, not Irish, > ancestry.) But what goes around comes around. > > Bob <sigh> Well, I am of British and Irish ancestry to use your terminology.There is no excuse for what the PIRA did and the problem was not as simple as you seem to suggest. The impression I was given was that he Provos were seen as extremists by most people in Ireland and what happened in the North is not something most Irish people or their decedents would want to be associated with. More Irish people emigrated to England during the famine than to America. 70,000 Irishmen fought in the first world war, 50,000 following independence. Ireland gained independence in 1922 but did not become a republic until 1948! There was a civil war following Irish independence which the original Republicans (who the Provos claim historical affinity with) lost. There has been a history of violent nationalism in Ireland but equally there has been a history of those advocating nationalism by peaceful means. Many Northern Irish Catholics came to work in England because of discrimination in NI. I am not making excuses for the mismanagement of Ireland or commenting on the union etc but just trying to give examples of how Anglo-Irish history is actually more complicated than you imply.
From: Claire on 17 Jul 2010 10:34 On 17 July, 06:53, Paul Heslop <paul.hes...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Robert Coe wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:30:50 +0100, Martin Brown > > <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > : Remember that in the UK we have lived with the threat of US funded IRA > > : terrorists blowing up our shopping centres and infrastructure for over > > : four decades. Islamic terrorists are more willing to inflict gratuitous > > : civilian casualties but large bombs in our cities are not new. > > : > > : BTW Yesterday was the peak of the rioting season in Northern Ireland. > > > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved.. > > > I don't hold any brief for the IRA. (As it happens, I'm of British, not Irish, > > ancestry.) But what goes around comes around. > > > Bob > > that's a bad saying to stick to though. it means virtually all, if not > all, countries will get it in the teeth from someone. I am English and > despise what my country did in the past and sometimes still does > today. so I should be punished for something an arsehole did in the > past? Indeed. I wonder what Mr Coe would make of similar sentiments expressed about Americans just after 9/11? Plus what about the Catholic victims of the IRA? What about the Muslim victims of Islamist terrorism. I will never forget that the first victim of 7/7 to be buried was a Muslim because she was the fiancé of a guy that used to work in the same office. Northern Ireland is more segregated than some think and less segregated than others think. Bombs cant detect what religion you are or what politics you have!!
From: Robert Coe on 17 Jul 2010 10:32 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:02:22 +0100, William Black <william.black(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: : On 16/07/10 23:30, Robert Coe wrote: : : > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors : > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred : > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled : > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year : > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. : > : : It's a bloody good job the British and the Egyptians and the Dutch and : the Beligians and the French and the Germans and the Indians and the : Russians don't hold grudges isn't it It's a good thing for us that the Vietnamese don't and a scary thing that the Arabs do. : Or is it only allowed in the continental United States? But where did I say that holding a grudge generations later is "allowed" in the U.S.? I was remarking on the rationale for an action, not standing up for it. That many Irish-Americans, unwilling or unable to forget British indifference to their ancestors' suffering, provided financial support to the IRA is an established fact. Bob
From: Claire on 17 Jul 2010 10:40
On 17 July, 13:02, William Black <william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On 16/07/10 23:30, Robert Coe wrote: > > > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. > > It's a bloody good job the British and the Egyptians and the Dutch and > the Beligians and the French and the Germans and the Indians and the > Russians don't hold grudges isn't it Well I often think its a shame for peace that we don't all just remember the same things... either that or as you say, collectively forget everything! The problem is partial rememberings or forgettings! ;-) > > Or is it only allowed in the continental United States? |