Insane, paranoid Brits STILL at it.
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From: Claire on 17 Jul 2010 11:06 On 17 July, 15:32, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:02:22 +0100, William Black<william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > : On 16/07/10 23:30, Robert Coe wrote: > : > : > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > : > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > : > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > : > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > : > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. > : > > : > : It's a bloody good job the British and the Egyptians and the Dutch and > : the Beligians and the French and the Germans and the Indians and the > : Russians don't hold grudges isn't it > > It's a good thing for us that the Vietnamese don't and a scary thing that the > Arabs do. > > : Or is it only allowed in the continental United States? > > But where did I say that holding a grudge generations later is "allowed" in > the U.S.? I was remarking on the rationale for an action, not standing up for > it. That many Irish-Americans, unwilling or unable to forget British > indifference to their ancestors' suffering, provided financial support to the > IRA is an established fact. > > Bob It was not really always that simple and I think this is where the English tend to misunderstand the sensitivities of the Irish and how British policies played to the Republican Movements advantage. I mean take for example Bloody Sunday . I came across the term looking for something in my Brewer Book of Phrase and Fable and as well as referring to January 1972 when members of the Parachute Regiment opened fire on unarmed civil rights protesters, it also was coined for an atrocity in 1922 when the Black and Tans opened fire on spectators at a Gaelic football match killing 12 on the same day that undercover British agents had been assassinated by Sinn Fein. So yes the Irish have a long memory but that also coloured how many saw counterparty injustices.
From: Doug McDonald on 17 Jul 2010 11:22 On 7/17/2010 10:06 AM, Claire wrote: > On 17 July, 15:32, Robert Coe<b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: >> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:02:22 +0100, William Black<william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >> : On 16/07/10 23:30, Robert Coe wrote: >> : >> :> And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors >> :> migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred >> :> of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled >> :> Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year >> :> failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. >> :> >> : >> : It's a bloody good job the British and the Egyptians and the Dutch and >> : the Beligians and the French and the Germans and the Indians and the >> : Russians don't hold grudges isn't it >> >> It's a good thing for us that the Vietnamese don't and a scary thing that the >> Arabs do. >> >> : Or is it only allowed in the continental United States? >> >> But where did I say that holding a grudge generations later is "allowed" in >> the U.S.? I was remarking on the rationale for an action, not standing up for >> it. That many Irish-Americans, unwilling or unable to forget British >> indifference to their ancestors' suffering, provided financial support to the >> IRA is an established fact. >> >> Bob > > It was not really always that simple and I think this is where the > English tend to misunderstand the sensitivities of the Irish and how > British policies played to the Republican Movements advantage. I mean > take for example Bloody Sunday . I came across the term looking for > something in my Brewer Book of Phrase and Fable and as well as > referring to January 1972 when members of the Parachute Regiment > opened fire on unarmed civil rights protesters, it also was coined for > an atrocity in 1922 when the Black and Tans opened fire on spectators > at a Gaelic football match killing 12 on the same day that undercover > British agents had been assassinated by Sinn Fein. So yes the Irish > have a long memory but that also coloured how many saw counterparty > injustices. I have many Irish ancestors, but know nothing about them since the Irish independence movement burned the records building in Dublin. The same situation applies in the USA where the Yankees burned many southern court houses, but here it usually can be worked around since there are so many still extant copies of wills and land records. Doug McDonald
From: DanP on 17 Jul 2010 11:27 On Jul 16, 11:30 pm, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:30:50 +0100, Martin Brown<|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > : Remember that in the UK we have lived with the threat of US funded IRA > : terrorists blowing up our shopping centres and infrastructure for over > : four decades. Islamic terrorists are more willing to inflict gratuitous > : civilian casualties but large bombs in our cities are not new. > : > : BTW Yesterday was the peak of the rioting season in Northern Ireland. > > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. To hold you responsible for what your grandfather did to my grandfather is simply idiotic. IRA using the Irish flag is a disgrace, that flag has white (peace) between green (Catholics) and orange (Protestants). DanP
From: Claire on 17 Jul 2010 11:36 On 17 July, 16:27, DanP <dan.pe...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 16, 11:30 pm, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:30:50 +0100, Martin Brown<|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > : Remember that in the UK we have lived with the threat of US funded IRA > > : terrorists blowing up our shopping centres and infrastructure for over > > : four decades. Islamic terrorists are more willing to inflict gratuitous > > : civilian casualties but large bombs in our cities are not new. > > : > > : BTW Yesterday was the peak of the rioting season in Northern Ireland. > > > And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors > > migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred > > of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled > > Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year > > failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved.. > > To hold you responsible for what your grandfather did to my > grandfather is simply idiotic. > IRA using the Irish flag is a disgrace, that flag has white (peace) > between green (Catholics) and orange (Protestants). > > DanP Yes ironic hey, as if they could bomb their way into peace and improved relations with the Protestant community! :-/
From: Savageduck on 17 Jul 2010 11:45
On 2010-07-17 07:40:32 -0700, Claire <claireonusenet(a)googlemail.com> said: > On 17 July, 13:02, William Black <william.bl...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> On 16/07/10 23:30, Robert Coe wrote: >> >>> And why are there so many IRA sympathizers in the US? Because their ancestors >>> migrated here en masse during the mid-19th century, bringing an abiding hatred >>> of the British with them. And why was that? Because the Brits, who ruled >>> Ireland at the time, did absolutely nothing to help the victims of a five-year >>> failure of the potato crop, and many of the migrants' relatives starved. >> >> It's a bloody good job the British and the Egyptians and the Dutch and >> the Beligians and the French and the Germans and the Indians and the >> Russians don't hold grudges isn't it > > > Well I often think its a shame for peace that we don't all just > remember the same things... either that or as you say, collectively > forget everything! The problem is partial rememberings or > forgettings! ;-) >> >> Or is it only allowed in the continental United States? Hell! There are still some in the South who haven't got over Sherman's march from Atlanta to Savannah. Some things have changed, I had family in North Carolina, Tennessee & Georgia, who refused to vote in 1960. They were not going to vote Republican, and were certainly not going to vote for a Catholic. How politics have change down there since 1964. ....and then there is the mythology created around siege of The Alamo, the true story of which has only been slowly revealed in recent years. There are those who deny that newly exposed truth, as it undermines the Texas legend. Then consider, tribal & sectarian conflict is far from over in Africa. We in Western society will continue to wring our hands whenever we are told of the next slaughter, and throw a bandaid, and a sack of flour at them. -- Regards, Savageduck |