Making XP desktop look like Win98
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From: Bob I on 10 Jun 2010 14:59 Robert Macy wrote: > On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" <gle...(a)spamindspring.com> wrote: > >>OK...we'll top post. >> >>1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list. >>2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an >>anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list. >>3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near >>all processes that were actually running. >> >>If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and >>you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same >>number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your >>mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98. >> >>Tim Meddick" <timmedd...(a)o2.co.uk> wrote in message >> >>news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing... >> >>>Quick, aren't you! >> >>>However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the >>>differences between XP and the Win98 OSes. >> >>>My tasklist for Win98 went something like : >> >>>systray.exe >>>explorer.exe >> >>>..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like >>>: >> >>>smss >>>csrss >>>winlogon >>>services >>>lsass >>>svchost >>>svchost >>>MsMpEng >>>svchost >>>svchost >>>spoolsv >>>svchost >>>avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!) >>>svchost >>>jqs >>>SMAgent >>>svchost >>>avgrsx (more of the AV) >>>avgemc (and more AV) >>>avgcsrvx (yet more AV) >>>alg >>>explorer >>>avgtray (and more AV) >>>hkcmd >>>MSASCui >>>Monitor >>>jusched >>>CTFMON >>>Taskmgr >>>cmd >>>ntvdm >>>explorer >>>avgnsx (last bit of AV) >>>iexplore >>>mscorsvw >>>cisvc >>>cidaemon >>>wuauclt >>>ServiceLayer >>>wuauclt >> >>>"glee" <gle...(a)spamindspring.com> wrote in message >>>news:hupg1b$c50$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>>>LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these >>>>background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party >>>>processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking! >> >>>>Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are >>>>third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP >>>>Power Toys processes), not XP processes: >> >>>>RapportMgmtService.exe >>>>timeserv.exe >>>>RapportService.exe >>>>BlueSoleil.exe >>>>TaskSwitch.exe >>>>Monitor.exe >>>>LUNABAR.EXE >>>>WZQKPICK.EXE >>>>SAVER.EXE >>>>ZOOM.EXE >>>>PrvDisk.exe >>>>tclock.exe >>>>Diskmon.exe >>>>CLOCK.EXE >>>>UnlockerAssistant.exe >>>>TimsMGR.exe >>>>ServiceLayer.exe >>>>DATALAY.EXE >> >>>>NO WONDER you take so long to log on! >>>>As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes. >> >>>>These are AVG anti-virus processes: >>>>avgwdsvc.exe >>>>avgrsx.exe >>>>avgemc.exe >>>>avgcsrvx.exe >> >>>>The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and >>>>cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing. >> >>>>Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in >>>>Windows Task Manager >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869 >> >>>>Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click >>>>Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....." >> >>>>Cheers! >> >>-- >>Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 >>A+http://dts-l.net/ > > > I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded > on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP > none of them appeared to do anything, so... > > Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker > Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates > for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows > 98; Windows 95 ... > www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005 - > > downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to > do? > I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer, > or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on. > > What is it supposed to do? See here http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
From: apistomaster(nospam) on 10 Jun 2010 17:43 On Jun 9, 3:39 pm, "glee" <gle...(a)spamindspring.com> wrote: > "apistomaster(nospam)" <apistomas...(a)clearwire.net> wrote in message > > news:df0310cc-32fa-409b-9307-136a729e571a(a)v12g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 9, 12:40 pm, Robert Macy <m...(a)california.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 8:55 am, "glee" <gle...(a)spamindspring.com> wrote: > > > > "Robert Macy" <m...(a)california.com> wrote in message > > > >news:0db68647-af53-4bab-adf0-8aa959fcd98c(a)s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com.... > > > > > snip > > > >And as I said, THIS group has ALWAYS provided more, and more > > > >effective, help than the WinXP group. > > > > LOL! Did you look at where this post is being read, Robert? It's > > > being > > > crossposted to both the 98 general group AND the XP general group. > > > Tim > > > and others are replying from the XP group...they don't hang out in > > > the > > > 98 group. You're getting your help from the folks in XP general, > > > despite what you might think. > > > -- > > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 > > > A+http://dts-l.net/ > > > ARRRGGG!!! just noticed it too! ...with face turned red > > > Now, where's that sauce to make my words taste better? > > Still using a CRT Monitor, too, no doubt? > All my Win 7 machines boot faster than my XP machine but I use an all > wireless network so I probably shouldn't say much about antiques. > PC Luddites. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Pity you don't have a newsreader, so you must post via Google Groups, > and using Quoted Printable as well, so quoted replies are fubar'd. > > XP SP3 is still a supported OS under the MS Lifecycle. You think > because someone uses or supports an older OS that they don't also use > the newer ones? My Windows 7 system boots faster than XP, but not by a > lot....and the XP system is a multiple-boot so there's a delay added > from going through the third-party boot manager. > > You think using ClearWire all-wireless makes you "progressive"? LOL! > It performs poorly in my area, with frequent down time as well. > Everyone I know who was using it has switched to cable internet for a > more reliable and high speed connection. "Antiques" has nothing to do > with it. > PC Elitists. ;-) > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 > A+http://dts-l.net/ Dear Glen, Over about 6 years I have posted less than 10 times so I never bothered to set up the newsreader. Where I live, there are only 3 choices for ISP's. 1. clearwire.net not to be confused with clear.com, the erratic, short range high speed wireless service which is not available here. I was not clear. I run all 3 PC's on a home wireless network using a dual channel("G" and "N") wireless router which keeps up with the input and doesn't drop the internet connection. I get clearwire's highest speed package at their lowest speed price and I have never had any problem with them. Service is much it cheaper by far than Qwest and Cableone. 2. Qwest Only marginally faster speeds are available here but at a much higher price than my present deal with clearwire. 3. Cableone By far the fastest available speeds in the area. But it is the cable company, I do not like the way they do business and they charge much more for the same speed I am getting from clearwire. Ever try to negotiate with a cable company? They can double my speed for almost 4 times the price. As long as .video streams I can afford to wait for clearwire to increase it's local speeds. In any case, I always enjoyed this newsgroup. It never fails to entertain and I have learned a lot about XP from subscribing to this group. I expected the curiously sarcastic style many use in their answers so I don't think I was far from the norm by basically saying better results are to be had by upgrading one's hard and software as things evolve. I imagine it must be cool to be writing an extra $60 a month to the cable company for truly fast internet speeds but what I have beats dial up about 10 times over. I will miss this group if for some reason it doesn't survive the changes because my ISP doesn't somehow stay connected to one of the alternative providers. At least I've never cross posted or top posted; things that seem to bring out the little biters.
From: Tim Meddick on 10 Jun 2010 18:29 You reckon I'll find a comparable number of running processes in Win98 installation, do you? Well, I'll give that a try, I have a W98 installation running as in M$ Virtual PC. But, as it's getting late, I will try that on the morrow. BTW - I read the post by "Robert Macy" - will my copy of Process Explorer run under Win98? Or do I need another version - was a bit hazy about what he wrote, but seemed to be having some problems... == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "glee" <glee29(a)spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:hupibm$k7p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > OK...we'll top post. > > 1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list. > 2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an > anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list. > 3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near > all processes that were actually running. > > If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and > you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same > number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your > mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98. > > > Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> wrote in message > news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing... >> >> Quick, aren't you! >> >> However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the >> differences between XP and the Win98 OSes. >> >> My tasklist for Win98 went something like : >> >> systray.exe >> explorer.exe >> >> >> ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like : >> >> smss >> csrss >> winlogon >> services >> lsass >> svchost >> svchost >> MsMpEng >> svchost >> svchost >> spoolsv >> svchost >> avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!) >> svchost >> jqs >> SMAgent >> svchost >> avgrsx (more of the AV) >> avgemc (and more AV) >> avgcsrvx (yet more AV) >> alg >> explorer >> avgtray (and more AV) >> hkcmd >> MSASCui >> Monitor >> jusched >> CTFMON >> Taskmgr >> cmd >> ntvdm >> explorer >> avgnsx (last bit of AV) >> iexplore >> mscorsvw >> cisvc >> cidaemon >> wuauclt >> ServiceLayer >> wuauclt >> >> >> >> >> "glee" <glee29(a)spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:hupg1b$c50$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these >>> background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party >>> processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking! >>> >>> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are >>> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP >>> Power Toys processes), not XP processes: >>> >>> RapportMgmtService.exe >>> timeserv.exe >>> RapportService.exe >>> BlueSoleil.exe >>> TaskSwitch.exe >>> Monitor.exe >>> LUNABAR.EXE >>> WZQKPICK.EXE >>> SAVER.EXE >>> ZOOM.EXE >>> PrvDisk.exe >>> tclock.exe >>> Diskmon.exe >>> CLOCK.EXE >>> UnlockerAssistant.exe >>> TimsMGR.exe >>> ServiceLayer.exe >>> DATALAY.EXE >>> >>> NO WONDER you take so long to log on! >>> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes. >>> >>> These are AVG anti-virus processes: >>> avgwdsvc.exe >>> avgrsx.exe >>> avgemc.exe >>> avgcsrvx.exe >>> >>> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and >>> cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing. >>> >>> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in Windows >>> Task Manager >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869 >>> >>> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click Properties, >>> and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....." >>> >>> Cheers! > > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 > A+ > http://dts-l.net/ >
From: Robert Macy on 10 Jun 2010 21:01 On Jun 10, 11:59 am, Bob I <bire...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Robert Macy wrote: > > On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" <gle...(a)spamindspring.com> wrote: > > >>OK...we'll top post. > > >>1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list. > >>2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an > >>anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list. > >>3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near > >>all processes that were actually running. > > >>If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and > >>you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same > >>number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your > >>mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98. > > >>Tim Meddick" <timmedd...(a)o2.co.uk> wrote in message > > >>news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > >>>Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing... > > >>>Quick, aren't you! > > >>>However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the > >>>differences between XP and the Win98 OSes. > > >>>My tasklist for Win98 went something like : > > >>>systray.exe > >>>explorer.exe > > >>>..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like > >>>: > > >>>smss > >>>csrss > >>>winlogon > >>>services > >>>lsass > >>>svchost > >>>svchost > >>>MsMpEng > >>>svchost > >>>svchost > >>>spoolsv > >>>svchost > >>>avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!) > >>>svchost > >>>jqs > >>>SMAgent > >>>svchost > >>>avgrsx (more of the AV) > >>>avgemc (and more AV) > >>>avgcsrvx (yet more AV) > >>>alg > >>>explorer > >>>avgtray (and more AV) > >>>hkcmd > >>>MSASCui > >>>Monitor > >>>jusched > >>>CTFMON > >>>Taskmgr > >>>cmd > >>>ntvdm > >>>explorer > >>>avgnsx (last bit of AV) > >>>iexplore > >>>mscorsvw > >>>cisvc > >>>cidaemon > >>>wuauclt > >>>ServiceLayer > >>>wuauclt > > >>>"glee" <gle...(a)spamindspring.com> wrote in message > >>>news:hupg1b$c50$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > >>>>LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these > >>>>background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party > >>>>processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking! > > >>>>Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are > >>>>third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP > >>>>Power Toys processes), not XP processes: > > >>>>RapportMgmtService.exe > >>>>timeserv.exe > >>>>RapportService.exe > >>>>BlueSoleil.exe > >>>>TaskSwitch.exe > >>>>Monitor.exe > >>>>LUNABAR.EXE > >>>>WZQKPICK.EXE > >>>>SAVER.EXE > >>>>ZOOM.EXE > >>>>PrvDisk.exe > >>>>tclock.exe > >>>>Diskmon.exe > >>>>CLOCK.EXE > >>>>UnlockerAssistant.exe > >>>>TimsMGR.exe > >>>>ServiceLayer.exe > >>>>DATALAY.EXE > > >>>>NO WONDER you take so long to log on! > >>>>As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes. > > >>>>These are AVG anti-virus processes: > >>>>avgwdsvc.exe > >>>>avgrsx.exe > >>>>avgemc.exe > >>>>avgcsrvx.exe > > >>>>The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and > >>>>cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing. > > >>>>Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in > >>>>Windows Task Manager > >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869 > > >>>>Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click > >>>>Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....." > > >>>>Cheers! > > >>-- > >>Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 > >>A+http://dts-l.net/ > > > I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded > > on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP > > none of them appeared to do anything, so... > > > Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker > > Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates > > for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows > > 98; Windows 95 ... > >www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005- > > > downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to > > do? > > I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer, > > or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on. > > > What is it supposed to do? > > See herehttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx nice pictures, but that version runs on WinXP and higher, doesn't run on Win98
From: glee on 10 Jun 2010 21:18
Tim, If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> wrote in message news:OT%23J7xOCLHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > You reckon I'll find a comparable number of running processes in Win98 > installation, do you? > > Well, I'll give that a try, I have a W98 installation running as in M$ > Virtual PC. > > But, as it's getting late, I will try that on the morrow. > > BTW - I read the post by "Robert Macy" - will my copy of Process > Explorer run under Win98? > > Or do I need another version - was a bit hazy about what he wrote, but > seemed to be having some problems... > > == > > Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) > > > > > "glee" <glee29(a)spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:hupibm$k7p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> OK...we'll top post. >> >> 1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list. >> 2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an >> anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list. >> 3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere >> near all processes that were actually running. >> >> If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer >> and you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the >> same number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even >> show your mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98. >> >> >> Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing... >>> >>> Quick, aren't you! >>> >>> However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the >>> differences between XP and the Win98 OSes. >>> >>> My tasklist for Win98 went something like : >>> >>> systray.exe >>> explorer.exe >>> >>> >>> ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something >>> like : >>> >>> smss >>> csrss >>> winlogon >>> services >>> lsass >>> svchost >>> svchost >>> MsMpEng >>> svchost >>> svchost >>> spoolsv >>> svchost >>> avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!) >>> svchost >>> jqs >>> SMAgent >>> svchost >>> avgrsx (more of the AV) >>> avgemc (and more AV) >>> avgcsrvx (yet more AV) >>> alg >>> explorer >>> avgtray (and more AV) >>> hkcmd >>> MSASCui >>> Monitor >>> jusched >>> CTFMON >>> Taskmgr >>> cmd >>> ntvdm >>> explorer >>> avgnsx (last bit of AV) >>> iexplore >>> mscorsvw >>> cisvc >>> cidaemon >>> wuauclt >>> ServiceLayer >>> wuauclt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "glee" <glee29(a)spamindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:hupg1b$c50$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all >>>> these background processes, and that post a task list full of >>>> third-party processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking! >>>> >>>> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are >>>> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or >>>> XP Power Toys processes), not XP processes: >>>> >>>> RapportMgmtService.exe >>>> timeserv.exe >>>> RapportService.exe >>>> BlueSoleil.exe >>>> TaskSwitch.exe >>>> Monitor.exe >>>> LUNABAR.EXE >>>> WZQKPICK.EXE >>>> SAVER.EXE >>>> ZOOM.EXE >>>> PrvDisk.exe >>>> tclock.exe >>>> Diskmon.exe >>>> CLOCK.EXE >>>> UnlockerAssistant.exe >>>> TimsMGR.exe >>>> ServiceLayer.exe >>>> DATALAY.EXE >>>> >>>> NO WONDER you take so long to log on! >>>> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes. >>>> >>>> These are AVG anti-virus processes: >>>> avgwdsvc.exe >>>> avgrsx.exe >>>> avgemc.exe >>>> avgcsrvx.exe >>>> >>>> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe >>>> and cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing. >>>> >>>> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in >>>> Windows Task Manager >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869 >>>> >>>> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click >>>> Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....." >>>> >>>> Cheers! >> >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 >> A+ >> http://dts-l.net/ >> > |