Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
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From: Jeff Richards on 18 Dec 2009 17:14 Why are you bothering to blather on about this. Surely MS has now given you the perfect opportunity to prove that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. Instead of engaging in stupid namecalling, why don't you just wait until you have the evidence you need. All you need to do is locate a good selection of public servers that currently carry any of the groups that MS has just deleted. Then monitor those servers. When, in 30 days time, those groups suddenly disappear from those servers you will be able to post the complete details here and prove that you were right and we were all wrong. -- Jeff Richards ----------------------------------------
From: Sunny on 18 Dec 2009 18:00 "MEB" <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:O7hLKABgKHA.5500(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > On 12/18/2009 09:33 AM, John John - MVP wrote: >> >> Do you seriously think that what you say would pass a constitutional >> challenge of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution? >> Are >> people forbidden to ever speak or write a copywritten name in your >> country? You just plain and simply do not understand what Usenet is >> and >> how it works, if we are to believe you any corporation in your country >> could forbid the use of its name in newsgroups, that isn't so, the >> First >> Amendment will not allow any one to muzzle free speech to that extent. >> Just do a search on any public Usenet server for names like GM, Ford, >> IBM, Apple and so on and you will see that these names also show up in >> newsgroup names. The hierarchy is just the way the *discussion* groups >> are organized, next you are going to try to tell us that Microsoft >> could >> close any discussion group that contains the name Microsoft or Windows. >> For all it matters anyway the 500 or so groups that were removed from >> Microsoft servers were all but completely deserted, no one or hardly >> anyone but stupid spammers ever posted to any of these groups so it is >> no big loss. > > Yes it would, and that comes from a constitutionally trained and > educated party. The First Amendment has ZERO to do with this particular > instance of the microsoft.public. hierarchy. This has ZERO impact on > anything related to FREE SPEECH as you or anyone CAN: DISCUSS Microsoft > or its products, create NON microsoft.public. groups, can do many other > things. > > The First Amendment is not a catch-all, nor is free speech. To apply > something must inflict harm upon the individual. The control of > microsoft.public. does none of that or anything related to it. > > So get some education on these matters, you sorely need it. Are you aware that many users don't even know that Microsoft news servers exist? They access "microsoft.public" groups that their ISP/NNTP news servers carry > "MEB" <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:urzPG$3fKHA.2260(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >HAHAHAHA, and WHO started the name calling you friggin worthless POS. You did. >And those were posted related to WHAT,,, you and your stupidity AND >name calling.. you have the intellect of a snail... http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/2b54f891eae67c87?dmode=source I rest my case
From: Etal on 18 Dec 2009 18:14 MEB wrote: > Etal wrote: >> ( Regarding "microsoft.public.it.windows7" ) >> >> >> Are corporations now disallowing humanity to organize its discussions in >> logical ways? >> >> > > It can do what it wishes, YOU on the other hand, have ZERO right to use > Microsoft's microsoft.public. hierarchy. Call it anything you want, but > don't try to foster fraud by forging Microsoft's forums... which it > holds legal right to. > It (corporations) can do as it wishes on their own servers yes. And i guess we can agree that i have zero right to create or remove various newsgroups on their NNTP-servers. However, if i setup my own NNTP server, i might create a group 'microsoft.public.knitting'. If anyone wants to configure their newsclient so it connects to my server to lurk or post to that group they can do so - if i let them. I will have the ability to filter/censor any posts not related to knitting, or if i so choose filter any post that are. It wouldn't be running on 'msnews.microsoft.com', or somehow pretending to, so how is that fostering fraud? -- Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. Please followup in the newsgroup. E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.
From: MEB on 18 Dec 2009 20:01 On 12/18/2009 05:14 PM, Jeff Richards wrote: > Why are you bothering to blather on about this. Surely MS has now given you > the perfect opportunity to prove that you are right and the rest of the > world is wrong. Instead of engaging in stupid namecalling, why don't you > just wait until you have the evidence you need. > > All you need to do is locate a good selection of public servers that > currently carry any of the groups that MS has just deleted. Then monitor > those servers. > > When, in 30 days time, those groups suddenly disappear from those servers > you will be able to post the complete details here and prove that you were > right and we were all wrong. > Why, because you parties continue to blather on about it.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___---
From: MEB on 18 Dec 2009 20:03
On 12/18/2009 06:14 PM, Etal wrote: > MEB wrote: > >> Etal wrote: > >>> ( Regarding "microsoft.public.it.windows7" ) >>> > >>> >>> Are corporations now disallowing humanity to organize its discussions in >>> logical ways? >>> >>> >> >> It can do what it wishes, YOU on the other hand, have ZERO right to use >> Microsoft's microsoft.public. hierarchy. Call it anything you want, but >> don't try to foster fraud by forging Microsoft's forums... which it >> holds legal right to. >> > > > It (corporations) can do as it wishes on their own servers yes. And i > guess we can agree that i have zero right to create or remove various > newsgroups on their NNTP-servers. > > However, if i setup my own NNTP server, i might create a group > 'microsoft.public.knitting'. If anyone wants to configure their > newsclient so it connects to my server to lurk or post to that group > they can do so - if i let them. I will have the ability to filter/censor > any posts not related to knitting, or if i so choose filter any post > that are. It wouldn't be running on 'msnews.microsoft.com', or somehow > pretending to, so how is that fostering fraud? > > NO. Check the Law if it really interests you. Usenet is NOT above any Law nor are the parties that use it. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |