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From: Barry Watzman on 28 Apr 2010 15:30
Digital ICE is not done in software it is done in hardware inside the
scanner itself. Although the software has to turn it on or off.
Digital ICE is fully supported by VueScan. And the Nikon software is
available for download from the Nikon web site.


Jethro Pull wrote:
> I have the Coolscan 5000 and love it! Built a new computer with Win7 64
> bit, ASUS P6T motherboard, and an Intel Core I7 processor (sorry for
> bragging). The reinstall of drivers and apps was an "interesting" ordeal
> and might even comprise a separate chapter in my autobiography. :-)
>
> Anyway, I can't find my Nikon software disc that has that wonderful ICE
> capability however, I'm using VueScan which allowed me to use my Nikon.
> Does anyone know where I can dl the Nikon Scanning App that has ICE? I
> really like VueScan but I'm not sure how it's going to perform when I
> start to scan all those old dusty slides in my closet.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 12/27/2009 11:46 AM, coolscan wrote:
>> I use the Coolscan 5000. Given you have thousands of slides to copy, and
>> you wish to develop a business scanning slides, this is the only
>> realistic choice. The flatbed will never scan slides or filmstrip as
>> well as the dedicated Nikon.
>>
>> Together with the optional slide feeder, you will be able to get
>> through 50 slides at a time. It takes about 2 minutes for a full scan
>> running at 4,000 dpi. The TIFF image (you can choose other formats)
>> takes 2 minutes with ICE processing alone. Add a few seconds (depending
>> on how fast your computer is) to do more complex processing such as
>> correcting for colour fading). Yesterday, I timed an 8 bit scan using
>> ICE (dust removal, colour correction, and 4x multiscan to reduce CCD
>> noise) and it took about 2 minutes 10 seconds. A basic scan ran 2
>> minutes. The resulting file size was 65 megs.
>>
>> Most of my processing has been for slides from the 1940s through to the
>> 1980s. The Coolscan has done a remarkable job of it.
>>
>> The Nikon has a lot of built in post - processing features too, which
>> are done at the time of the scan should you wish to use them.
>> Alternatively, you could simply leave the post processing until later if
>> you wish to use Lightroom or Photoshop Essentials to process each
>> image.
>>
>> I have used flatbeds in the past. Never again. The effort to scan a
>> filmstrip drove me to distraction. It is very much a manual operation.
>> The time needed basically drove me away from the effort. With the
>> Coolscan, I can set it quickly, and walk away until the job is done. I
>> have rarely had a slide jam either.
>>
>> All in all, I would only use a flat bed for its design purpose - to
>> scan in occasional positive prints etc. A flat bed is not really meant
>> for the job you are looking for.
>>
>> So, in my experience, the main differences between the flatbed and the
>> dedicated scanner for slides or filmstrip are: the Nikon is far faster,
>> requires far less effort, and has a far higher output quality. I am glad
>> I chose a dedicated scanner.
>>
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>
From: Barry Watzman on 28 Apr 2010 15:32
Not exactly correct. What would be more correct would be to say that
VueScan has the ability to turn on Digital ICE, which resides inside the
scanner itself, in HARDWARE, not the host software (but the host
software has to be able to turn it on and off).


Alan Wrigley wrote:
> Jethro Pull <jpull(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know where I can dl the Nikon Scanning App that has ICE? I
>> really like VueScan but I'm not sure how it's going to perform when I
>> start to scan all those old dusty slides in my closet.
>
> VueScan has a perfectly good dust removal option which does a very good job
> on most makes of film. It doesn't work with Kodachrome but then neither does
> ICE.
>
> Alan
From: David on 28 Apr 2010 15:48


> Alan Wrigley wrote:
>> Jethro Pull <jpull(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can dl the Nikon Scanning App
>>> that has ICE? I really like VueScan but I'm not sure how
>>> it's going to perform when I start to scan all those old
>>> dusty slides in my closet.
>>
>> VueScan has a perfectly good dust removal option which
>> does a very good job
>> on most makes of film. It doesn't work with Kodachrome
>> but then neither does
>> ICE.
>>
>> Alan
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM(a)neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:hra2h2$o27$2(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Not exactly correct. What would be more correct would be
> to say that VueScan has the ability to turn on Digital
> ICE, which resides inside the scanner itself, in HARDWARE,
> not the host software (but the host software has to be
> able to turn it on and off).
>
>
My understanding is that if the ICE feature in enabled, the
scanner hardware delivers R, G, B and an Infrared view of
the image to the software. It is the software that uses the
IR information to fill in the dirt detected in that image
and compose the final image into whatever format selected
for output. The hardware does not automatically remove the
dirt from the image.

David

From: Randy Lane on 28 Apr 2010 16:26
On Apr 28, 12:48 pm, "David" <some...(a)somewhere.com> wrote:
> > Alan Wrigley wrote:
> >> Jethro Pull <jp...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Does anyone know where I can dl the Nikon Scanning App
> >>> that has ICE? I really like VueScan but I'm not sure how
> >>> it's going to perform when I start to scan all those old
> >>> dusty slides in my closet.
>
> >> VueScan has a perfectly good dust removal option which
> >> does a very good job
> >> on most makes of film. It doesn't work with Kodachrome
> >> but then neither does
> >> ICE.
>
> >> Alan
> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOS...(a)neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hra2h2$o27$2(a)news.eternal-september.org...> Not exactly correct.  What would be more correct would be
> > to say that VueScan has the ability to turn on Digital
> > ICE, which resides inside the scanner itself, in HARDWARE,
> > not the host software (but the host software has to be
> > able to turn it on and off).
>
> My understanding is that if the ICE feature in enabled, the
> scanner hardware delivers R, G, B and an Infrared view of
> the image to the software. It is the software that uses the
> IR information to fill in the dirt detected in that image
> and compose the final image into whatever format selected
> for output. The hardware does not automatically remove the
> dirt from the image.
>
> David- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's exactly right.
And it is that second step, using the infrared data to "correct" the
digital image, where I believe VueScan is far superior to the Nikon
software, or any other I've used.
I do not know whether that final stpe is performed by the NikonScan
software using an API from Kodak or using proprietary code develop by/
for Nikon, but I highly suspect it is from Kodak (or the prior owner,
I think it was named Computer Science).
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