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From: John A. on 25 Jan 2010 16:19
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:14:40 -0800 (PST), DanP <dan.petre(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jan 25, 7:58�pm, John A. <j...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:53:22 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Some examples:
>> >D3x - Too expensive
>> >A805/900 - Too much noise.
>> >D3s/700 - Not enough resolution for the cost
>> >D300s - Sensor out of date compared to competition
>> >D90 - Close to the perfect DSLR (when everything is considered) but no
>> >weatherproofing at all, plastic body.
>> >7D - Canon's lame weatherproofing, no good wide angle lenses, or none
>> >that are comparable with the competition.
>> >1D's (any of them) - Too many problems for their cost.
>> >5DMkII - Mediocre for video (IF this matters to anyone), questionable
>> >build quality for the price.
>> >Panasonic micro 4/3rds - No pro/semipro bodies, too much noise, too
>> >expensive
>> >Olympus 4/3rds - Outdated, lame sensors, lagging behind the micro
>> >4/3rds units. �Each release is a slap-dash updating of the previous,
>> >no new pro camera in ages.
>> >Pentax K's- Noisy sensors, lousy AF.
>> >A300's/500's - Sony efforts that coat-tail on the big two, with less
>> >success.
>>
>> >Entry level DSLRs - Poor control features, crappy builds, crummy
>> >ergonomics, poor viewfinders (most of them) poor compatibility with
>> >legacy stuff.
>>
>> >So, the perfect DSLR isn't here. �But it COULD be. �How?
>> >- �5DMkII resolution, FF.
>> >- �Body quality (notice I didn't say size?) of a D700.
>> >- �Shutter rate of a D300s. �Reliability rating of the D3 shutter.
>> >- �Size of a D90 with a grip.
>> >- �Noise control of a D3s/700.
>> >- �Weight of a 7D. �Greater weight allowance versus size for a METAL,
>> >weather sealed body.
>> >- �Video of the Panasonic GH1
>> >- �Nikon's pro AF system
>> >- Sony or Panasonic's Live View.
>> >- Highest quality optical viewfinder, for now.
>>
>> >All that, for about $2500 would be IMO, the ideal all-round DSLR.
>>
>> Whose control layout? Or would it have moveable components DX1-style?
>
>Forget it, it ain't gonna happen. Just buy an existing camera for
>$2500.

Oh, I know. Just playin'. :)
From: RichA on 25 Jan 2010 17:59
On Jan 25, 2:58 pm, John A. <j...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:53:22 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Some examples:
> >D3x - Too expensive
> >A805/900 - Too much noise.
> >D3s/700 - Not enough resolution for the cost
> >D300s - Sensor out of date compared to competition
> >D90 - Close to the perfect DSLR (when everything is considered) but no
> >weatherproofing at all, plastic body.
> >7D - Canon's lame weatherproofing, no good wide angle lenses, or none
> >that are comparable with the competition.
> >1D's (any of them) - Too many problems for their cost.
> >5DMkII - Mediocre for video (IF this matters to anyone), questionable
> >build quality for the price.
> >Panasonic micro 4/3rds - No pro/semipro bodies, too much noise, too
> >expensive
> >Olympus 4/3rds - Outdated, lame sensors, lagging behind the micro
> >4/3rds units.  Each release is a slap-dash updating of the previous,
> >no new pro camera in ages.
> >Pentax K's- Noisy sensors, lousy AF.
> >A300's/500's - Sony efforts that coat-tail on the big two, with less
> >success.
>
> >Entry level DSLRs - Poor control features, crappy builds, crummy
> >ergonomics, poor viewfinders (most of them) poor compatibility with
> >legacy stuff.
>
> >So, the perfect DSLR isn't here.  But it COULD be.  How?
> >-  5DMkII resolution, FF.
> >-  Body quality (notice I didn't say size?) of a D700.
> >-  Shutter rate of a D300s.  Reliability rating of the D3 shutter.
> >-  Size of a D90 with a grip.
> >-  Noise control of a D3s/700.
> >-  Weight of a 7D.  Greater weight allowance versus size for a METAL,
> >weather sealed body.
> >-  Video of the Panasonic GH1
> >-  Nikon's pro AF system
> >- Sony or Panasonic's Live View.
> >- Highest quality optical viewfinder, for now.
>
> >All that, for about $2500 would be IMO, the ideal all-round DSLR.
>
> Whose control layout? Or would it have moveable components DX1-style?

For cost-saving, the D300 has a good control layout, or, completely
programmable buttons and wheels customizable to the particular user.
From: Chris Malcolm on 25 Jan 2010 18:59
In rec.photo.digital RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Some examples:
> D3x - Too expensive
> A805/900 - Too much noise.
> D3s/700 - Not enough resolution for the cost
> D300s - Sensor out of date compared to competition
> D90 - Close to the perfect DSLR (when everything is considered) but no
> weatherproofing at all, plastic body.
> 7D - Canon's lame weatherproofing, no good wide angle lenses, or none
> that are comparable with the competition.
> 1D's (any of them) - Too many problems for their cost.
> 5DMkII - Mediocre for video (IF this matters to anyone), questionable
> build quality for the price.
> Panasonic micro 4/3rds - No pro/semipro bodies, too much noise, too
> expensive
> Olympus 4/3rds - Outdated, lame sensors, lagging behind the micro
> 4/3rds units. Each release is a slap-dash updating of the previous,
> no new pro camera in ages.
> Pentax K's- Noisy sensors, lousy AF.
> A300's/500's - Sony efforts that coat-tail on the big two, with less
> success.

> Entry level DSLRs - Poor control features, crappy builds, crummy
> ergonomics, poor viewfinders (most of them) poor compatibility with
> legacy stuff.

> So, the perfect DSLR isn't here. But it COULD be. How?
> - 5DMkII resolution, FF.
> - Body quality (notice I didn't say size?) of a D700.
> - Shutter rate of a D300s. Reliability rating of the D3 shutter.
> - Size of a D90 with a grip.
> - Noise control of a D3s/700.
> - Weight of a 7D. Greater weight allowance versus size for a METAL,
> weather sealed body.
> - Video of the Panasonic GH1
> - Nikon's pro AF system
> - Sony or Panasonic's Live View.
> - Highest quality optical viewfinder, for now.

> All that, for about $2500 would be IMO, the ideal all-round DSLR.

For a year or possibly two.

--
Chris Malcolm
From: N on 25 Jan 2010 19:14

"RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> For cost-saving, the D300 has a good control layout, or, completely
> programmable buttons and wheels customizable to the particular user.

If all the buttons are customisable, none of them would have labels.
Wouldn't that be fun.

From: N on 25 Jan 2010 22:32

"John A." <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:14:52 +1100, "N" <N(a)onyx.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:28bc8bd0-7b32-4b41-8d6f-ec13e786cc6b(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> For cost-saving, the D300 has a good control layout, or, completely
>>> programmable buttons and wheels customizable to the particular user.
>>
>>If all the buttons are customisable, none of them would have labels.
>>Wouldn't that be fun.
>
> Peel-n-stick!
>
> Or maybe they'd have embedded OLEDs like Optimus keyboards. Or
> electronic ink like e-book readers. :)

LOL like Christmas lights. :-)


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