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From: Richard Webb on 5 Apr 2010 15:00 On Mon 2038-Apr-05 06:50, Marc Amsterdam writes: >> Ehm, all the major venues that I've worked in required hard hats to be worn >> when somebody was in the rig. > Same over here in the netherlands, the contracter is obliged to > issue hardhat to all personel if there is work to be done overhead. > Even if you are a subcontractor which is the majority of the > workforce in the field here the main contractor is held to that > obligation. > The practical situation is that most have theire own rock climbing > helmet that is lighter and cooler to wear but moslty not according > to EN 397 regulation. If inspections are conducted they mention it > but take no action because they know the good rock climbing helmets > are of better quality than their regulations prescribe and mostly > exceed EN 397 as they are according to EN 12492. The real problem > is liability when some bad has happened. I'm surprised that it hasn't been mandated over here the way osha is about a lot of things. WAsn't back in days gone by when I was familiar, but my lady and I just decided that we were going to insist on rigorous safety rules to protect our people. > One or two other problems i find with the standard issue hardhat is > that there is no chinstrap and if you want the hard head to stay on > your head when bending or picking something up the head band needs > to be to tight for comfort. I'd agree with that one, and never cared for that either. > The other thing is that EN397 hardhats have a little visor on them > that blocks the view from where most danger is to be expected... > (yes! this can be a religious discussion if you want :-) Ya know I never considered that, even though the lack of a chin strap and the head band thing was always a bugaboo for me. But, after reading your msg I picked one of my hard hats out of its box and looked, sho 'nuff as they say around here, the visor would block you view from above. <go figure>. Regards, Richard .... IF laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose! -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet<->Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 6 Apr 2010 08:05 "Ron" <ron(a)lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message news:yImdnQABi9krIiTWnZ2dnUVZ8t-dnZ2d(a)bt.com... > On 04/04/2010 21:48, JWald wrote: >> ---- >> "bob urz"<sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message >> news:hpaolg$uc4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>> On 04/04/2010 19:45, in article hpaj7r$mtd$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob >>>> urz" >>>> <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> bob urz wrote: >>>>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>>>>> On 04/04/2010 16:52, in article hpa92r$l1$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob >>>>>>> urz" >>>>>>> <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/BobbyJarzombekTV#p/a/u/0/zb8F-Kpuzs4 >>>>>>> "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.roadie.net/portal/html/modules/news/article.php?storyid=906 >>>>>>> http://www.officialconcerts.com/2010/03/17/sebastian-bach-rio-stage-collapse >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -video-porto-alegre-update/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqTGWJXAsw&feature=related >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw6V1WPElxM&feature=related >>>>>> >>>>>> see if these are still up. >>>>>> >>>>>> bob >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enhhnkx4kVc&feature=related >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> This reminds me: there was a stage roof collapse less than a year ago >>>> in >>>> Marseilles, Madonna's tour. Did anyone ever hear the result of the >>>> investigation? >>>> >>>> >>> During one of those videos, it was heard in the background to take cover >>> or be sliced in half. It looked like flying corrugated steel siding. >>> So, at what point do you stop looking after the show and dive for cover >>> to save your own butt? >>> >>> We work in dangerous environments in arenas with stuff that could fall >>> and >>> kill us in a second. A few years ago i was doing a arena country show >>> when >>> one of the riggers from above dropped the chain he was trying to tie up >>> in >>> the ceiling. I heard that clanging chain sound very close >>> and put my tired old butt in warp drive. Lucky, no one was hurt, but i >>> was WAY too close for comfort. >>> >>> Another time, we were taking a sound cluster up and one of the chain >>> motor >>> bags got caught on this little welded on tab on the front chain motor. >>> The >>> tab broke off, i heard this SProng.. noise, then the whole >>> cluster started to shake. That was about a shorts chaining moment too. >>> luckily, everything stayed in the air and nothing came down. Found out >>> latter that these tabs were usually taken off the chain motors before >>> they >>> were released into the wild. >>> >>> >>> I know guys who go out and do roofs all summer. That would be like being >>> in the gulag to me... >>> >>> bob >> >> It wasn't a stage collapse, but I had a shackle, dropped from the grid, >> miss >> me by about a foot. No heads up prior to, and no apology since. That's >> been >> about 3 yrs ago. >> > > I had a set of open barn doors miss my head by millimetres a while back, I > actually felt them pass through my long hair and touch my back as they > passed by. The grid was only about 12 feet above, but a centimetre closer > and I would have been taking a visit to hospital. > Ron(UK) i remember Mike Gaster took a rackof 6 crown 5000s into his face and chest from about 4 feet up when a lift gate failed
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 6 Apr 2010 08:06 NEVER PUT YOURSELF BETWEEN THE LOAD AND GRAVITY!!!! George
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 6 Apr 2010 08:16 "PeterD" <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in message news:7tnjr5pkaj9iju9810bl0ue6c76o9ooqmc(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 19:58:39 -0500, bob urz <sound(a)inetnebr.com> > wrote: > >>Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>> On 04/04/2010 23:14, in article hpavg6$7so$1(a)speranza.aioe.org, "bob >>> urz" >>> <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote: >>> >>> (...) >>>> Even if someone yells, you may not know where its coming from or if >>>> its too small even see it in time. The guys from circ Solie all wear >>>> hard hats. In the future, it may be mandated for all. >>> >>> Ehm, all the major venues that I've worked in required hard hats to be >>> worn >>> when somebody was in the rig. >>> >>> >> >>That all depends on where you are. In the US, its not necessarily >>required. I can tell you for a fact that the 17,000 seat arena i >>frequently work at in the center of the USA does NOT have hard hats as a >>requirement. As far as that goes, not ONE venue we work at has hard hats >>as a requirement. And these are IATSE contract venues. >> >>We require riggers to be in harness and have safeties. But no hard hats. >>If the shows come in with them, thats fine. But then we work along side >>of them with nothing on our heads. >> >>bob > > One (and the venues) should consider checking what OSHA requires, and > I'm sure that that lack of a rule would quickly change. Takes only one > accident, an a massive (and virtually impossible to defend against) > fine from OSHA and the lesson is 'learned'. I require that venues and promoters sign a document that explains OSHA noise(spl) guidelines and that I will follow them and there is NO OPTION, and if I can't get co-operation from the band and support of the venue/promoter in dealing with cocky bands,. I will pull the plug this works well as I require payment before event opens dorrs to the public i have been the "nice guy" too many years and finally came to understand that I am held responsible and I need to do what is required to guarentee that I have control over that which I am responsible for george
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 6 Apr 2010 08:19 I have been refused on job sites as some of my crew showed up in shorts and sneakers, the general contractor required full length pants and hard shoes as well as lids if you did not have them, you went and bought them before you could get on site George
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