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From: "J. Roeleveld" on 4 Mar 2010 03:12 On Thursday 04 March 2010 08:57:30 Jonathan Tripathy wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Thanks for all the tips. > > Postfix and Dovecot are indeed on the same box and I do agree with you that > it would require one heck of a hack to get this to work. See below, it might be a "simple" configuration still? > Since this is software, it is possible, just maybe not with the current > implementation of the 2 bits of software. It would be nice if postfix had > some sort of setting to allow an external program to take a copy of the > email being sent. Then, dovecot (again probably a hacked version) could > store the email in the sent items folder. > > As for the BCC idea, this could work, but only if postfix was able to > prefix the subject with something like "[sent]", or even better add a > header, then dovecot can filter to the correct folder. Is this possible? Can't you filter this on the "from" field? Eg: If <from> = <my email> then { store in sent items } else { store in inbox / parse other rules... } With that, I thought there is an option in postfix to bcc a single address on all emails? You could then put a filter like the following on all emails coming into that address: if <from> in <list of local emails> then { store in correct Sent Items } else { discard email as we don't want to duplicate incoming email } -- Joost
From: Stan Hoeppner on 4 Mar 2010 06:24 J. Roeleveld put forth on 3/4/2010 2:12 AM: > On Thursday 04 March 2010 08:57:30 Jonathan Tripathy wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Thanks for all the tips. >> >> Postfix and Dovecot are indeed on the same box and I do agree with you that >> it would require one heck of a hack to get this to work. > > See below, it might be a "simple" configuration still? > >> Since this is software, it is possible, just maybe not with the current >> implementation of the 2 bits of software. It would be nice if postfix had >> some sort of setting to allow an external program to take a copy of the >> email being sent. Then, dovecot (again probably a hacked version) could >> store the email in the sent items folder. >> >> As for the BCC idea, this could work, but only if postfix was able to >> prefix the subject with something like "[sent]", or even better add a >> header, then dovecot can filter to the correct folder. Is this possible? > > Can't you filter this on the "from" field? > Eg: > If <from> = <my email> then > { > store in sent items > } else { > store in inbox / parse other rules... > } > > With that, I thought there is an option in postfix to bcc a single address on > all emails? > You could then put a filter like the following on all emails coming into that > address: > > if <from> in <list of local emails> then > { > store in correct Sent Items > } else { > discard email as we don't want to duplicate incoming email > } Would sender_bcc_maps work if he uses Dovecot LDA/sieve? He could create a sieve filter based on MAIL FROM: being his own address, and have sieve move all such mails into his Sent Items folder. Might be worth a shot? -- Stan
From: Ansgar Wiechers on 4 Mar 2010 07:12 On 2010-03-03 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Ansgar Wiechers put forth on 3/3/2010 9:01 AM: >> I was under the impression that his Postfix and Dovecot are running >> on the same (remote) host, and he's using Postfix as a smarthost for >> his outbound mail. If that's the case, then there certainly is an >> advantage, as his client won't have to transfer the message twice. >> Otherwise you're correct, of course. > > The point I was making is that the BCC'd copy is dropped in his inbox. > Thus, when he opens his MUA, he still has to download the BCC'd sent > items and move them to his IMAP sent items folder. So there's no net > gain in IMAP traffic reduction. You're kidding, right? You certainly can't mean to imply that *not* having to transfer a large mail over the network via IMAP would be anything else than a significant reduction in IMAP traffic. > I suppose it might be possible to hack together a solution in the MTA > or IMAP server, manually dropping copies of sent messages in the > user's IMAP Sent Items folder. That would be one heck of a kludge > though. Not really. Use submission with a recipient_bcc_maps option and a sender_access map (or something) to add a custom header. Have the MDA store mails with that custom header in the "sent items" folder. Still a bit of a hack, but not as ugly as you make it sound. [...] >>> My Dovecot server is local, 100BaseT, and it's still noticeably >>> faster to store Sent Items locally on the workstation. >> >> Well, duh. Even old PATA/33 drives have almost three times the >> transfer rate of 100BaseT. > > Transfer rate isn't the issue, but latency. Local disk writes are > buffered, whereas network writes via IMAP are not. You're talking nonsense. Of course transfer rate is exactly the issue at hand when we're talking about initially storing a large e-mail in a folder a) on a local disk or b) on a remote IMAP server. Regards Ansgar Wiechers -- "Abstractions save us time working, but they don't save us time learning." --Joel Spolsky
From: Ansgar Wiechers on 4 Mar 2010 07:21 On 2010-03-04 Ansgar Wiechers wrote: > On 2010-03-03 Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> I suppose it might be possible to hack together a solution in the MTA >> or IMAP server, manually dropping copies of sent messages in the >> user's IMAP Sent Items folder. That would be one heck of a kludge >> though. > > Not really. Use submission with a recipient_bcc_maps option That would have to be "sender_bcc_maps", of course. My mistake. Regards Ansgar Wiechers -- "Abstractions save us time working, but they don't save us time learning." --Joel Spolsky
From: "J. Roeleveld" on 4 Mar 2010 07:50
On Thursday 04 March 2010 12:24:20 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > J. Roeleveld put forth on 3/4/2010 2:12 AM: > > On Thursday 04 March 2010 08:57:30 Jonathan Tripathy wrote: <snipped non-relevant part> > > > > With that, I thought there is an option in postfix to bcc a single > > address on all emails? > > You could then put a filter like the following on all emails coming into > > that address: > > > > if <from> in <list of local emails> then > > { > > store in correct Sent Items > > } else { > > discard email as we don't want to duplicate incoming email > > } > > Would sender_bcc_maps work if he uses Dovecot LDA/sieve? He could create a > sieve filter based on MAIL FROM: being his own address, and have sieve move > all such mails into his Sent Items folder. Might be worth a shot? > This is how I would do it on my server, if I'd be so inclined :) eg: sender_bcc_maps = autosendfolderfill(a)mydomain.com Then for the "autosendfolderfill" user set the following for the sieve-script: if header :contains "From" "me(a)mydomain.com" { fileinto me+Sent; stop; } You then need to make sure the "autosendfolderfill" user has permissions to drop messages in the respective "Sent" folders. I have not tested the above, but I think I'd be able to get this to work with Postfix and Cyrus. I am not familiar with Dovecot, but the above might be doable with Dovecot as well. -- Joost |