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From: Chris Zakes on 24 Jan 2010 14:50
Hi folks,

I'm brand new here, and hoping I can get some help. I'm running Eudora
7.1.0.9 and Windows XP.

Problem #1. When getting new mail, if there are two or more messages
from another family member--i.e. two messages with the name "Zakes" in
the address--something hangs on those messages. If I don't stop it in
time it'll keep downloading the same two messages over and over again.
(I screwed up big-time last week, and am now dealing with over 700,000
copies of two messages from my wife.)

Problem #2. Somehow, as a result of this glitch, two of those messages
have gotten stuck. I can't delete them, I can't even transfer them out
of the inbox. Trying to do anything with them brings up the following
box:

"Could not read from file C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\In.mbx
Cause: The request contains an invalid argument (22)"

I've tried looking this problem up on the help section of the Eudora
website, but I'm not finding *anything* under "Invalid Argument."

Problem #2a. I could live with these two messages, and just ignore
them, but now, when I try to get email, everything appears to proceed
as normal (the taskbar at the bottom of the screen shows "checking for
mail," and a countdown of what's being received) but the mail either
doesn't actually download, or it is immediately deleted again.

And if I turn Eudora off, and turn it back on, I get the same 700,000+
messages again. I've deleted them all twice, and emptied the trash
each time, but they keep coming back. They're worse than a movie
monster.

Help?

-Chris Zakes
Texas

What do you mean that eating pizza, drinking beer and watching football
isn't "multitasking?"
From: Chris Zakes on 26 Jan 2010 22:12
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:03:25 -0600, an orbital mind-control laser
caused "John H Meyers" <jhmeyers(a)nomail.invalid> to write:

>[700,000 copies of one incoming message --
>shouldn't that be in the Guinness World Records? :]

Well, actually it was 700,000 copies of *two* messages--35,000
each--so not quite as eligible for the Guinness folks. <G>


>If you have any filters, remove any that transfer mail to your "In" mailbox.
>
>Also search for and remove any files matching *.RCV
> from the "spool" folder (and subfolders) of your mail and settings folder.
>
>Remove original suspect message, if any, from POP server, via ISP webmail.
>
>Check permissions (and writeability) of your "In" mailbox files.

What I ended up doing was:

1. Slogging through all the downloads one more time, and then sending
them to the Trash (roughly a day and a half.)
2. Re-setting my Tools - Options - Incoming Mail to "Delete from
server when emptied from Trash."
3. Emptying the Trash (overnight.)
4. Transferring all the stuff that I wanted to keep from the Inbox to
another folder.
5. Going to Windows Explorer, finding the Eudora section (C, Program
Files, Qualcomm, Eudora) and deleting the In.mbx. Since it was showing
over 2 million KB, I expect that was mostly those 700,000 rogue
messages.
6. Shutting everything down and re-starting my computer.


Somewhere in that process I managed to get rid of the two offending
messages that kept giving me the "invalid argument (22)" error, and, I
presume were the cause of the mega-downloads, because Eudora started
and downloaded incoming messages normally.

To wrap everything up, I transferred the stuff I wanted to keep back
into the Inbox, emptied the recycle bin to make *sure* none of the bad
stuff comes back, and I'm good to go.

-Chris Zakes
Texas

What do you mean that eating pizza, drinking beer and watching football
isn't "multitasking?"
From: Han on 27 Jan 2010 04:17
Keeping the inbox at a low level of "fill" is considered good practice.
It may not be as important today as it was years ago, but consider this
and the problems that a little glitch can cause:

The inbox is really 2 files, in.mbx (actual mailbox) and in.toc (the
"table of contents"), which together form a database system of sorts.

All messages going into the inbox (and all incoming messages do go there
first) are represented by a record with a beginning and end, and are
concatenated (connected with the beginning of message 2 to the end of
message 1). They all stay there, whether you delete them or not, as one
long text file. The in.toc file is the database manager and tells Eudora
wich messages to show in the inbox on screen, and it separates the
individual messages.

The way to manage this is to occasionally compact the mailboxes (I thoght
I had set the option to do this when I close Eudora, but can't find it
right now). The normal way is to choose compact mailboxes from the
special menu, or to add a button to the toolbar.

What compacting does is database cleanup. Message that are "deleted" but
still present in the in.mbx (and other mailboxes) are excised, and the
resulting free space is compacted, and the in.toc is adjusted. Starting
this process will "freeze" Eudora for a few moments, while the processes
happen in the background.

HTH!
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
From: Han on 28 Jan 2010 07:28
Ian Anderson <ando(a)127.0.0.1.invalid> wrote in
news:1p98n.165183$H15.68060(a)en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com:

> On 27 Jan 2010 09:17:04 GMT, Han <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote:
>
>>Keeping the inbox at a low level of "fill" is considered good
>>practice. It may not be as important today as it was years ago, but
>>consider this and the problems that a little glitch can cause:
>
> I don't use the inbox, any unfiltered email goes to unread.

A very good strategy.

>>The way to manage this is to occasionally compact the mailboxes (I
>>thoght I had set the option to do this when I close Eudora, but can't
>>find it right now). The normal way is to choose compact mailboxes
>>from the special menu, or to add a button to the toolbar.
>
> I delete messages over 3 days old from the trash every morning, then I
> compact the mailboxes.

I surmise you do this manually, by using one of the above click
sequences.

> I'm sure you didn't need to be told that, but at least I now have the
> opportunity to say thanks for your help over the last few years.

For me, usenet is very good for 3 things: Asking questions from experts
(c.q. others with experience), answering similar questions from others
that I have answers for, and political blatherings (not in this group).

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
From: Jim Higgins on 3 Feb 2010 16:49
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:39:28 -0500, me(a)tadyatam.invalid wrote:

>Steve Urbach <dragonsclaw(a)NOTmindspring.com> wrote in
>news:tbj3m55r4fe61i1d0eo3eccp41iak2c4fr(a)4ax.com:
>
>> Junk(ing) is not normally the same /filter/ (you may have
>> made Filters to move some unwanted stuff to Junk (why?
>> Trash better? ) )
>>
>
>FWIW
>Confirmed: Incoming mail sent to Junk by a filter does not go
>through inbox.

Since this is not the case, how did you confirm this?

Mail sent to Junk by the built-in spam filter as well as mail sent to
Junk by an explicit user-made filter both go thru the In box.

I confirmed this by seeing something (spam) appear in Junk, inspecting
its headers for its Message-ID, closing Eudora, and then opening the
In.mbx file with Wordpad and searching for that Message-ID. The same
spam email was found in the In mailbox, visible to Wordpad, though not
visible to Eudora. I then opened Eudora, compressed mailboxes, closed
Eudora and verified via Wordpad that the spam was no longer in the In
mailbox. That spam routed thru the In mailbox on its way to Junk.

Exact same scenario for a message I sent to myself with a word in the
subject for which I had set a filter to send it to junk. Exact same
results.

How did you verify your findings?
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