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From: Christopher A. Lee on 15 Jan 2010 10:46 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:16:38 -0800 (PST), species8350 <not_here.5.species8350(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >On Jan 15, 2:40�pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...(a)optonline.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:04:22 +0000, Bob <b...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >On 15/01/2010 13:47, Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:07:16 -0800 (PST), species8350 >> >> <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> �wrote: >> >> >>> This just occurs to me. >> >> >>> I am using Channel 6. >> >> >>> The bloke downstairs will also be using this router. Will we both be >> >>> using Channel 6? >> >> >> Unless one of you you changes it. >> >> >>> Can I change the channel without affecting him? >> >> >> Yes. >> >> >>> Or will any Channel change also be a change for him? >> >> >> No. >> >> >>> Thanks >> >> >> You want to change it otherwise you will be sharing the radio >> >> bandwidth of that channel. So your equipment will listen to his >> >> signals and vice versa even if they're encrypted, to decide whether >> >> they're actually for you. >> >> >> You and he would be on the exact same bell curve we talked about when >> >> we discussed overlapping channels. >> >> >> But don't just change it willy nilly to find a clean one on your own >> >> because he will probably be doing the same. >> >> >> Talk to him and agree to use different channels. >> >> >He did say "The bloke downstairs will also be using this router." >> >Going by all his other threads they are sharing a router. >> >> I haven't been following them all because he seemed to be asking the >> same question several times. >> >> I thought he meant a combined modem/router supplied by the broadband >> provider because neighbours don't usually share the same internet >> service. >> >> But you're right. I just found a message saying the router wasn't his >> responsibility, he has permission to use it when it arrives. >> >> So he's basically stuck with what the other guy does. >> >> It's not up to him what channel to use. The other guy controls it at >> the router. The PC will find it and lock onto it. >> >> The caveat will be whether the other guy has set N-only and he doesn't >> have N. Of course another issue is whether the signal is strong enough >> to punch through the floor. >> >> I wouldn't do this with my current router because I like my security >> but recent ones support guest pass keys which allow access to a subset >> of the network. >> >> >> If he has the same problem with the guy downstairs from him, work >> >> something out between the three of you.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Yes, the signal is punching through the floor. > >The router is a G type. > >I am a bit confused as to whether I can change the channel >independently from the bloke who shares the router. No you can't. It's set at the router and your computer locks onto it when it makes the connection. >Because we share the router must we use the same channel. Yes. >If I get permission to login to the router can I select a different >channel, and the bloke can do likewise. No. The channel can be changed but everybody still uses the same one. >Otherwise, as said we will be using the same bell curve That was my misundertanding when I thought you were using different routers on the same channel. Talking about channel separation confirmed this in my mind. Basically you're sharing the same band width on the same bell curve. >As you can see, I am not sure what independence I can gain via the >router. Not much. You'll both use the same encryption key so you'll need to disable file sharing from the Windows Network and Sharing Center or its equivalent on your OS. Are any of your extras like printer, external disk drive backup, scanner etc on the network, or directly connected? Mine are because they're shared between a recent deskopt, the ealier one it replaced and a laptop. So I use N because G is too slow accessing shared data. >Thanks
From: Christopher A. Lee on 15 Jan 2010 11:01 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:46:40 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <calee(a)optonline.net> wrote: >On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:16:38 -0800 (PST), species8350 ><not_here.5.species8350(a)xoxy.net> wrote: > >>On Jan 15, 2:40�pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:04:22 +0000, Bob <b...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >On 15/01/2010 13:47, Christopher A. Lee wrote: >>> >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:07:16 -0800 (PST), species8350 >>> >> <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> �wrote: >>> >>> >>> This just occurs to me. >>> >>> >>> I am using Channel 6. >>> >>> >>> The bloke downstairs will also be using this router. Will we both be >>> >>> using Channel 6? >>> >>> >> Unless one of you you changes it. >>> >>> >>> Can I change the channel without affecting him? >>> >>> >> Yes. >>> >>> >>> Or will any Channel change also be a change for him? >>> >>> >> No. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> You want to change it otherwise you will be sharing the radio >>> >> bandwidth of that channel. So your equipment will listen to his >>> >> signals and vice versa even if they're encrypted, to decide whether >>> >> they're actually for you. >>> >>> >> You and he would be on the exact same bell curve we talked about when >>> >> we discussed overlapping channels. >>> >>> >> But don't just change it willy nilly to find a clean one on your own >>> >> because he will probably be doing the same. >>> >>> >> Talk to him and agree to use different channels. >>> >>> >He did say "The bloke downstairs will also be using this router." >>> >Going by all his other threads they are sharing a router. >>> >>> I haven't been following them all because he seemed to be asking the >>> same question several times. >>> >>> I thought he meant a combined modem/router supplied by the broadband >>> provider because neighbours don't usually share the same internet >>> service. >>> >>> But you're right. I just found a message saying the router wasn't his >>> responsibility, he has permission to use it when it arrives. >>> >>> So he's basically stuck with what the other guy does. >>> >>> It's not up to him what channel to use. The other guy controls it at >>> the router. The PC will find it and lock onto it. >>> >>> The caveat will be whether the other guy has set N-only and he doesn't >>> have N. Of course another issue is whether the signal is strong enough >>> to punch through the floor. >>> >>> I wouldn't do this with my current router because I like my security >>> but recent ones support guest pass keys which allow access to a subset >>> of the network. >>> >>> >> If he has the same problem with the guy downstairs from him, work >>> >> something out between the three of you.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >>Yes, the signal is punching through the floor. >> >>The router is a G type. >> >>I am a bit confused as to whether I can change the channel >>independently from the bloke who shares the router. > >No you can't. It's set at the router and your computer locks onto it >when it makes the connection. > >>Because we share the router must we use the same channel. > >Yes. > >>If I get permission to login to the router can I select a different >>channel, and the bloke can do likewise. > >No. The channel can be changed but everybody still uses the same one. > >>Otherwise, as said we will be using the same bell curve > >That was my misundertanding when I thought you were using different >routers on the same channel. Talking about channel separation >confirmed this in my mind. > >Basically you're sharing the same band width on the same bell curve. > >>As you can see, I am not sure what independence I can gain via the >>router. > >Not much. > >You'll both use the same encryption key so you'll need to disable file >sharing from the Windows Network and Sharing Center or its equivalent >on your OS. > >Are any of your extras like printer, external disk drive backup, >scanner etc on the network, or directly connected? > >Mine are because they're shared between a recent deskopt, the ealier >one it replaced and a laptop. > >So I use N because G is too slow accessing shared data. > >>Thanks
From: Char Jackson on 15 Jan 2010 14:17 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:01:34 -0800 (PST), species8350 <not_here.5.species8350(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >Another point. > >I assume that I don't logout of the router. When I have finished a >session, I assume that I just close the browser, and when ready switch >off the pc Once the router is configured, you won't be logging into it unless or until you need to make an additional configuration change. On a daily basis, you'll mostly just leave it alone.
From: species8350 on 15 Jan 2010 22:49 On Jan 15, 7:17 pm, Char Jackson <n...(a)none.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:01:34 -0800 (PST), species8350 > > <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: > >Another point. > > >I assume that I don't logout of the router. When I have finished a > >session, I assume that I just close the browser, and when ready switch > >off the pc > > Once the router is configured, you won't be logging into it unless or > until you need to make an additional configuration change. On a daily > basis, you'll mostly just leave it alone. Chris, I have a printer connected to my pc. I now understand that I will be using the same channel as the bloke who shares the router.. Is there any way that I can limit the obvious radio interference that I will get because we are sharing the same bell curve? If not, will it cause much of a problem? On a related point. If I get a weak signal does this affect my speed of connectivity? Would it affect downloading times? If not, what are the disadvantages of a weak signal? Thanks for all the advice. Much appreciated. Best wishes. S
From: Char Jackson on 15 Jan 2010 23:32
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:36 -0800 (PST), species8350 <not_here.5.species8350(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >On Jan 15, 7:17�pm, Char Jackson <n...(a)none.invalid> wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:01:34 -0800 (PST), species8350 >> >> <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >> >Another point. >> >> >I assume that I don't logout of the router. When I have finished a >> >session, I assume that I just close the browser, and when ready switch >> >off the pc >> >> Once the router is configured, you won't be logging into it unless or >> until you need to make an additional configuration change. On a daily >> basis, you'll mostly just leave it alone. > >Chris, I'm not Chris, but I'll take a stab. :) >I have a printer connected to my pc. Irrelevant. >I now understand that I will be using the same channel as the bloke >who shares the router.. > >Is there any way that I can limit the obvious radio interference that >I will get because we are sharing the same bell curve? Yes, you can get your own router and configure it to use a different channel. Seriously, though, there is very little interference unless both of you are actively using the wireless connection simultaneously. Most users generate relatively short spikes of network activity, and such a scenario works pretty well for shared wireless. >If not, will it cause much of a problem? Wait and see. If both of you are surfing the web, for example, you'll each generate short bursts of activity, and for the most part the wireless connection will be virtually dormant. >On a related point. If I get a weak signal does this affect my speed >of connectivity? > >Would it affect downloading times? Yes, as a signal gets weaker it can cause the connection speed to step down. |