XP in Virtual PC under Win 7 - a few questions
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From: Bill on 19 May 2010 19:08 In message <ht1mt6$6jp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, P.V. <ano(a)nymo.us> writes >"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler(a)googlemail.com> kirjoitti >viestiss�:85iucpFnjhU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Another thing which seems odd to me - but perhaps it's to be expected >>- is that although the Win7 system and the virtual machine share the >>same physical network card, they've somehow acquired different IP >>addresses which are not even in the same subnet. This seems to result >>in a strange combination of what is and isn't visible to what when I >>try to ping the physical and virtual machines from each other and >>from other computers in my network. Anyone know what to expect here? > >Could it be that the virtual XP machine is actually set to use NAT? If >that's the case you could simply change the setting to the one with the >physical network card's name (the setting is in Virtual PC's network >settings). Then the physical computer and the virtual one would be like >two computers in the same network with IP addresses of the same subnet. I've just had to do this for a friend and can confirm that you have to set the network adapter in Tools to the same physical one as the machine. The Help files are utterly confusing. I don't know about the pdf thing, I just use Open Office, but I had a terrible time seeing the printer on my workgroup. It's an old Xerox P12 that has to use HP IIP drivers. You have to pretend the virtual XP has a parallel port, then install the drivers, which only appear after you hit Windows Update in the printer install menu. Then you have to remember that they are I's not 1's and that IIP is later in the alphabet than IIIP. Install as a parallel printer than let the virtual machine find the networked printer and it will install the drivers. The remove the phantom parallel printer. All this might be obvious to others, but not to this old man. -- Bill
From: Roger Mills on 19 May 2010 19:19 In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Adrian C <email(a)here.invalid> wrote: > On 19/05/2010 21:00, Roger Mills wrote: >> I have just bought a new laptop running Windows 7 Professional (32 >> bit) and have installed XP in a virtual machine to cope with the odd >> applications[1] which won't run in Win7. >> >> One application which will only run in the virtual machine is Jaws >> PDF Converter - which installs a pseudo printer driver and, when you >> 'print' with it, a PDF file is produced. I would like to be able to >> share this 'printer' so that I can print to it from Win7 >> applications, but I haven't yet succeeded in doing so. I can go into >> the printer setup menu on the virtual machine and can tell it to >> share the printer, but I still can't see the 'printer' from the Win7 >> side. Does anyone know whether this is possible and, if so, how to >> do it? If I can avoid it, I don't want to have to install all the >> applications from which I may want to 'print' to PDF files on the >> virtual machine. [The same would probably apply if I had a *real* printer >> whose >> driver only worked in XP, and if I wanted to print to it from Win7.] >> >> Another thing which seems odd to me - but perhaps it's to be >> expected - is that although the Win7 system and the virtual machine >> share the same physical network card, they've somehow acquired >> different IP addresses which are not even in the same subnet. > > At a guess, (I'm a VMWare geek) you need to set virtual hardware > support features in Windows 7 so that network services are 'bridged' > to the virtual network card in the XP guest, not 'NAT'ed' > > Oh hang on, lets google 'bridge windows 7 virtual network' > > <http://blogs.technet.com/windows_vpc/archive/2009/09/26/networking-and-using-windows-xp-mode.aspx> Thanks for that link - that's great. Having un-NAT'd the virtual machine, it has now been given an IP address in the same subnet and range as the Win7 system, and I can now see the shared network printer, and install it in the Win7 system. The fact that it doesn't *work* is another story! On further investigation, it doesn't work in the virtual machine either - I was so pleased that I got it to install, that I didn't test it!! Anyway, assuming I *can* get it to work in the virtual machine, it should then work in Win7 also. -- Cheers, Roger _______ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
From: mike on 20 May 2010 12:31 Roger Mills wrote: > I have just bought a new laptop running Windows 7 Professional (32 bit) and > have installed XP in a virtual machine to cope with the odd applications[1] > which won't run in Win7. > > One application which will only run in the virtual machine is Jaws PDF > Converter - which installs a pseudo printer driver and, when you 'print' > with it, a PDF file is produced. I would like to be able to share this > 'printer' so that I can print to it from Win7 applications, but I haven't > yet succeeded in doing so. I can go into the printer setup menu on the > virtual machine and can tell it to share the printer, but I still can't see > the 'printer' from the Win7 side. Does anyone know whether this is possible > and, if so, how to do it? > > If I can avoid it, I don't want to have to install all the applications from > which I may want to 'print' to PDF files on the virtual machine. > > [The same would probably apply if I had a *real* printer whose driver only > worked in XP, and if I wanted to print to it from Win7.] > > Another thing which seems odd to me - but perhaps it's to be expected - is > that although the Win7 system and the virtual machine share the same > physical network card, they've somehow acquired different IP addresses which > are not even in the same subnet. This seems to result in a strange > combination of what is and isn't visible to what when I try to ping the > physical and virtual machines from each other and from other computers in my > network. Anyone know what to expect here? > > I would welcome comments from anyone who has managed to suss this virtual > machine business, and whose experience is more extensive than my two days' > worth. > > > [1] I've been agreeably surprised with what *will* run in Win7 - including a > number of old applications originally written for Win9x! bullzip pdf printer works in win7
From: Andy Champ on 21 May 2010 14:30 Roger Mills wrote: > > Anyway, assuming I *can* get it to work in the virtual machine, it should > then work in Win7 also. Wouldn't bet on it. I'd expect to install a driver for any real network printer, and I don't see why this "printer" would be any different. Andy
From: Roger Mills on 21 May 2010 14:58
On 20/05/2010 17:31, mike wrote: > Roger Mills wrote: >> I have just bought a new laptop running Windows 7 Professional (32 >> bit) and have installed XP in a virtual machine to cope with the odd >> applications[1] which won't run in Win7. >> >> One application which will only run in the virtual machine is Jaws PDF >> Converter - which installs a pseudo printer driver and, when you >> 'print' with it, a PDF file is produced. I would like to be able to >> share this 'printer' so that I can print to it from Win7 applications, >> but I haven't yet succeeded in doing so. I can go into the printer >> setup menu on the virtual machine and can tell it to share the >> printer, but I still can't see the 'printer' from the Win7 side. Does >> anyone know whether this is possible and, if so, how to do it? >> >> If I can avoid it, I don't want to have to install all the >> applications from which I may want to 'print' to PDF files on the >> virtual machine. >> >> [The same would probably apply if I had a *real* printer whose driver >> only worked in XP, and if I wanted to print to it from Win7.] >> >> Another thing which seems odd to me - but perhaps it's to be expected >> - is that although the Win7 system and the virtual machine share the >> same physical network card, they've somehow acquired different IP >> addresses which are not even in the same subnet. This seems to result >> in a strange combination of what is and isn't visible to what when I >> try to ping the physical and virtual machines from each other and from >> other computers in my network. Anyone know what to expect here? >> >> I would welcome comments from anyone who has managed to suss this >> virtual machine business, and whose experience is more extensive than >> my two days' worth. >> >> >> [1] I've been agreeably surprised with what *will* run in Win7 - >> including a number of old applications originally written for Win9x! > > bullzip pdf printer works in win7 Many thanks to all who have replied. Bullzip does indeed work in Win7 - and will suffice for most purposes, although it doesn't seem to handle security in quite the same way as Jaws. I've now got Jaws working in the virtual machine (which is an advance on yesterday) but although it goes through the motions of allowing me to share it and then install it as a network printer on the physical machine, it doesn't actually 'print' but just sits there like a lemon instead of displaying a dialogue box asking where the PDF is to be saved. I only want to do the clever stuff with security on Word documents, so I guess I shall have to install Word on the virtual machine to achieve that. Thanks to whoever it wqas who suggested that the virtual machine was NAT'ed. That was spot on and, by pointing its network config at the physical network card, I've now got it in the same subnet as the host machine. This enables me to 'see' shared printers from the host but, as I said above, Jaws sadly still doesn't work as a shared printer - but I have a solution I can live with. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst em ail address is valid, it is seldom checked. |