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From: dickmr on 5 Mar 2006 12:09
Hi Wojo. Yeah, I became a believer in the usefulness of that 960 x 720
profile late last year when I put together a half hour of some 12 megapixel
wedding photos into a slideshow/video. It was a lot of work and with my
arsenal of titles/effects/transitions/music it was pretty awesome. But I
kept being disappointed when I put it to dvd....so, believe me, I tried about
25 combinations (those which I figured would be good results) of pic size,
video formats, burn programs, settings, and dvd media. At the end I was able
to compare them side by side....the final winner was the 960x720 profile out
of Movie Maker from original picture size and resolution (10% added
contrast), burned to a dvd+r Sony blank, with an older Sonic DVDit program
set at 'superior quality VBR'. I only use it for 'pics' and still use
DV-AVI for video. I don't know the reason that all worked, but I do
remember being blown away by what that combination produced. I suppose its
another reason for me to re-visit Photostory again some day.... ha ha You
really should try it to see what results you get....hopefully the same as
mine, but you never know.

"Wojo" wrote:

> Hey dickmr
>
> "dickmr" <dickmr(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:20FF1D48-582A-441A-8A16-F6B7CC6BEE01(a)microsoft.com...
> > Hi guys....I read all of your posts above, and got to thinking about the
> > problem.
> > Since you put the ''13'' different clips into Movie Maker to add titles
> > and
> > music for a 1.5 hour video.....meaning each one is about 7 minutes long
> > right? Could you just import 3 or 4 of these clips and add the music and
> > then save it as a rendered movie.....if you do this to all 13, you would
> > end
> > up having about 4 separate movies out of Movie Maker, and you could import
> > all of them together into your dvd software to make a dvd. I think if
> > you
> > render your movie in 20-25 minute increments (especially since they are
> > made
> > in photo story) your computer will handle it much quicker.
>
> Probably but a 1 1/2hr video with the computer specs hlkoons posted
> shouldn't be taking THAT long to begin with unless there's something slowing
> down the system
>
> >
> > Wojo, I found WinDvdCreator here
> > http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/WinDVDCreator_Profile.jsp
>
> ahhh, there it is. I googled for WinDVD and just kept coming up with links
> to the player but I admit I didn't put too much effort into it. I downloaded
> the trial so I can do a write-up on it for my website.
>
> >
> > Check in the file setting and/or preferences to set the quality and length
> > of the video.
> > Usually 1.5 hours will be just one step down from 'superior' quality, but
> > most won't see too much difference. With those big high quality pictures
> > you are using they should present nicely even when cut down to video
> > quality.
> > When I do that I save my files with PapaJohn's high definition emulation
> > (960x720) from Movie Maker and they do show better for me when I reduce
> > them
> > to dvd quality. If you try that, the emulations are at www.papajohn.org
> > .....click on WMV-HD....and then Introduction....part way down that page
> > you'll see the downloadable profiles.
> >
> > Sorta long winded...but good luck with your project!
>
> One of these days I am going to have to try that high-def profile.
>
> >
> >
> > "Wojo" wrote:
> >
> >> No I have no idea why it is taking so long.
> >> Your PC specs are great you shouldn't be having any resource issues
> >> unless
> >> you have a lot of stuff running in the background and eating up
> >> resources.
> >>
> >>
> >> "hkoons" <hkoons(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:DB551E40-D393-4083-9A25-6B6A88F1CA6A(a)microsoft.com...
> >> >
> >> > I suspect the same. I have a Direcway motem. I was careful to shut it
> >> > down
> >> > but left the firewall and antivirus on as they became useless. That MS
> >> > antispyware item I never pay attention to as I haven't needed to in the
> >> > past,
> >> > nor did it effect my last previous 7hr sessions trying to save the WMM
> >> > projects to my PC. I'll give it another try tonight and be sure that
> >> > EVERYTHING is shut down. Back to the 7hr issue...? Any idea why so
> >> > long?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
From: Wojo on 5 Mar 2006 14:02
Hey dickmr
I'm sure my results will be just as good. We'll have to wait and see.
I downloaded the profile and it's ready to go. I just need to work out a
good set of clips to truly test it properly.
you burned with Sonic?!?!? Must have been before you discovered Movie
Factory. :-)
BTW I am also going to do a DVD with AVS Converter to see how well that
works as a authoring tool, I doubt it will even come close to replacing DVD
Workshop2 but at least I can then give it a proper review on my website.
-Wojo

"dickmr" <dickmr(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E722A51F-14EC-417B-8EEA-CA02258400B7(a)microsoft.com...
> Hi Wojo. Yeah, I became a believer in the usefulness of that 960 x 720
> profile late last year when I put together a half hour of some 12
> megapixel
> wedding photos into a slideshow/video. It was a lot of work and with my
> arsenal of titles/effects/transitions/music it was pretty awesome. But I
> kept being disappointed when I put it to dvd....so, believe me, I tried
> about
> 25 combinations (those which I figured would be good results) of pic size,
> video formats, burn programs, settings, and dvd media. At the end I was
> able
> to compare them side by side....the final winner was the 960x720 profile
> out
> of Movie Maker from original picture size and resolution (10% added
> contrast), burned to a dvd+r Sony blank, with an older Sonic DVDit program
> set at 'superior quality VBR'. I only use it for 'pics' and still use
> DV-AVI for video. I don't know the reason that all worked, but I do
> remember being blown away by what that combination produced. I suppose
> its
> another reason for me to re-visit Photostory again some day.... ha ha
> You
> really should try it to see what results you get....hopefully the same as
> mine, but you never know.
>
> "Wojo" wrote:
>
>> Hey dickmr
>>
>> "dickmr" <dickmr(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:20FF1D48-582A-441A-8A16-F6B7CC6BEE01(a)microsoft.com...
>> > Hi guys....I read all of your posts above, and got to thinking about
>> > the
>> > problem.
>> > Since you put the ''13'' different clips into Movie Maker to add titles
>> > and
>> > music for a 1.5 hour video.....meaning each one is about 7 minutes long
>> > right? Could you just import 3 or 4 of these clips and add the music
>> > and
>> > then save it as a rendered movie.....if you do this to all 13, you
>> > would
>> > end
>> > up having about 4 separate movies out of Movie Maker, and you could
>> > import
>> > all of them together into your dvd software to make a dvd. I think if
>> > you
>> > render your movie in 20-25 minute increments (especially since they are
>> > made
>> > in photo story) your computer will handle it much quicker.
>>
>> Probably but a 1 1/2hr video with the computer specs hlkoons posted
>> shouldn't be taking THAT long to begin with unless there's something
>> slowing
>> down the system
>>
>> >
>> > Wojo, I found WinDvdCreator here
>> > http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/WinDVDCreator_Profile.jsp
>>
>> ahhh, there it is. I googled for WinDVD and just kept coming up with
>> links
>> to the player but I admit I didn't put too much effort into it. I
>> downloaded
>> the trial so I can do a write-up on it for my website.
>>
>> >
>> > Check in the file setting and/or preferences to set the quality and
>> > length
>> > of the video.
>> > Usually 1.5 hours will be just one step down from 'superior' quality,
>> > but
>> > most won't see too much difference. With those big high quality
>> > pictures
>> > you are using they should present nicely even when cut down to video
>> > quality.
>> > When I do that I save my files with PapaJohn's high definition
>> > emulation
>> > (960x720) from Movie Maker and they do show better for me when I reduce
>> > them
>> > to dvd quality. If you try that, the emulations are at
>> > www.papajohn.org
>> > .....click on WMV-HD....and then Introduction....part way down that
>> > page
>> > you'll see the downloadable profiles.
>> >
>> > Sorta long winded...but good luck with your project!
>>
>> One of these days I am going to have to try that high-def profile.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "Wojo" wrote:
>> >
>> >> No I have no idea why it is taking so long.
>> >> Your PC specs are great you shouldn't be having any resource issues
>> >> unless
>> >> you have a lot of stuff running in the background and eating up
>> >> resources.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "hkoons" <hkoons(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:DB551E40-D393-4083-9A25-6B6A88F1CA6A(a)microsoft.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > I suspect the same. I have a Direcway motem. I was careful to shut
>> >> > it
>> >> > down
>> >> > but left the firewall and antivirus on as they became useless. That
>> >> > MS
>> >> > antispyware item I never pay attention to as I haven't needed to in
>> >> > the
>> >> > past,
>> >> > nor did it effect my last previous 7hr sessions trying to save the
>> >> > WMM
>> >> > projects to my PC. I'll give it another try tonight and be sure
>> >> > that
>> >> > EVERYTHING is shut down. Back to the 7hr issue...? Any idea why so
>> >> > long?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


From: dickmr on 5 Mar 2006 17:16
ha ha, don't worry I'm still mostly using Movie Factory and am a stalwart
supporter. But sometimes I found that for certain things my other programs
perform better...but that is pretty seldom of course. I really like the Avs
Video Converter program just as much because of its wide range of
capabilities. I've made dvd's with it too....in fact I recently used it
when I converted about 28 hours of vhs tapes to dvd for a friend's family and
baby videos...wow, what a marathon project that was; but I bartered a good
trade deal!!! ha ha I used AVS VC because I could convert directly into a
dvd. Use the high quality dvd 1 hour and it will be as good as the others.
My only problem with it, is that my dlp projector/bigscreen won't play
dvd+r's that I make with it....so I tend to use Movie Factory when I want to
feel secure that it will work when I need it. Hopefully this year I can get
around to buying the Workshop program

"Wojo" wrote:

> Hey dickmr
> I'm sure my results will be just as good. We'll have to wait and see.
> I downloaded the profile and it's ready to go. I just need to work out a
> good set of clips to truly test it properly.
> you burned with Sonic?!?!? Must have been before you discovered Movie
> Factory. :-)
> BTW I am also going to do a DVD with AVS Converter to see how well that
> works as a authoring tool, I doubt it will even come close to replacing DVD
> Workshop2 but at least I can then give it a proper review on my website.
> -Wojo
>
> "dickmr" <dickmr(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E722A51F-14EC-417B-8EEA-CA02258400B7(a)microsoft.com...
> > Hi Wojo. Yeah, I became a believer in the usefulness of that 960 x 720
> > profile late last year when I put together a half hour of some 12
> > megapixel
> > wedding photos into a slideshow/video. It was a lot of work and with my
> > arsenal of titles/effects/transitions/music it was pretty awesome. But I
> > kept being disappointed when I put it to dvd....so, believe me, I tried
> > about
> > 25 combinations (those which I figured would be good results) of pic size,
> > video formats, burn programs, settings, and dvd media. At the end I was
> > able
> > to compare them side by side....the final winner was the 960x720 profile
> > out
> > of Movie Maker from original picture size and resolution (10% added
> > contrast), burned to a dvd+r Sony blank, with an older Sonic DVDit program
> > set at 'superior quality VBR'. I only use it for 'pics' and still use
> > DV-AVI for video. I don't know the reason that all worked, but I do
> > remember being blown away by what that combination produced. I suppose
> > its
> > another reason for me to re-visit Photostory again some day.... ha ha
> > You
> > really should try it to see what results you get....hopefully the same as
> > mine, but you never know.
> >
> > "Wojo" wrote:
> >
> >> Hey dickmr
> >>
> >> "dickmr" <dickmr(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:20FF1D48-582A-441A-8A16-F6B7CC6BEE01(a)microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi guys....I read all of your posts above, and got to thinking about
> >> > the
> >> > problem.
> >> > Since you put the ''13'' different clips into Movie Maker to add titles
> >> > and
> >> > music for a 1.5 hour video.....meaning each one is about 7 minutes long
> >> > right? Could you just import 3 or 4 of these clips and add the music
> >> > and
> >> > then save it as a rendered movie.....if you do this to all 13, you
> >> > would
> >> > end
> >> > up having about 4 separate movies out of Movie Maker, and you could
> >> > import
> >> > all of them together into your dvd software to make a dvd. I think if
> >> > you
> >> > render your movie in 20-25 minute increments (especially since they are
> >> > made
> >> > in photo story) your computer will handle it much quicker.
> >>
> >> Probably but a 1 1/2hr video with the computer specs hlkoons posted
> >> shouldn't be taking THAT long to begin with unless there's something
> >> slowing
> >> down the system
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Wojo, I found WinDvdCreator here
> >> > http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/WinDVDCreator_Profile.jsp
> >>
> >> ahhh, there it is. I googled for WinDVD and just kept coming up with
> >> links
> >> to the player but I admit I didn't put too much effort into it. I
> >> downloaded
> >> the trial so I can do a write-up on it for my website.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Check in the file setting and/or preferences to set the quality and
> >> > length
> >> > of the video.
> >> > Usually 1.5 hours will be just one step down from 'superior' quality,
> >> > but
> >> > most won't see too much difference. With those big high quality
> >> > pictures
> >> > you are using they should present nicely even when cut down to video
> >> > quality.
> >> > When I do that I save my files with PapaJohn's high definition
> >> > emulation
> >> > (960x720) from Movie Maker and they do show better for me when I reduce
> >> > them
> >> > to dvd quality. If you try that, the emulations are at
> >> > www.papajohn.org
> >> > .....click on WMV-HD....and then Introduction....part way down that
> >> > page
> >> > you'll see the downloadable profiles.
> >> >
> >> > Sorta long winded...but good luck with your project!
> >>
> >> One of these days I am going to have to try that high-def profile.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Wojo" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No I have no idea why it is taking so long.
> >> >> Your PC specs are great you shouldn't be having any resource issues
> >> >> unless
> >> >> you have a lot of stuff running in the background and eating up
> >> >> resources.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "hkoons" <hkoons(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:DB551E40-D393-4083-9A25-6B6A88F1CA6A(a)microsoft.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I suspect the same. I have a Direcway motem. I was careful to shut
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > down
> >> >> > but left the firewall and antivirus on as they became useless. That
> >> >> > MS
> >> >> > antispyware item I never pay attention to as I haven't needed to in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > past,
> >> >> > nor did it effect my last previous 7hr sessions trying to save the
> >> >> > WMM
> >> >> > projects to my PC. I'll give it another try tonight and be sure
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > EVERYTHING is shut down. Back to the 7hr issue...? Any idea why so
> >> >> > long?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
From: hkoons on 5 Mar 2006 19:11
Next report, Gentlemen.

I returned to my PC 6 AM to find that WMM had successfully completed it's
task providing my with a very good rendition of my movie.

A few comments:
dickmr: Those 13 segments aren't equally divided but divided more on
subject matter. If I were to process them through WMM as 4 sections that
would only mean that I'd have to get up through the night to close one and
start the other. Even my final project finished last night in the DV-AVI
took 7.5 hours for completion. I had shut down all processes, at least as
indicated on my task bar (Sat modem and all protective services).

Then I cranked up WinDVD (this came as a freeby with my DVD recorder a
couple of years back). Three times it crashed while I was working with the
Authoring section, setting up a menu page, etc. I finally cut my first DVD
and it was a disappointment. It displayed all the jitteriness of my original
complain, but at least this time around I got it through WMM looking good.

I did notice while working with WinDVD that there was a glitch in one of the
strips from WMM, a single, solid black interuption in the midst of a
sequence. After all I've been through with this project I couldn't conceive
of doing it all over again because of it; I simply deleted it from the rest.
That does, however, leave an interuption in the visual flow as well as the
audio.

Now that my final DVD is a disappointment I'm giving thought to starting
again at WMM, fix my boob and try out some of dickmr suggestions on different
profiles. I'll also be exploring other DVD editing software and would
welcome suggestions. Wojos mentioned Ulead and there was mention of AVS
Video Converter and Movie Maker. I have the Roxio Creator Suite package as
maybe something in there should suffice. Thoughts?

I'd like to maintain contact with you folks as I'll probably need it but not
sure if we should continue along this thread. Suggestions?

Wojos: Concerning my PS3 gripe, its "save..." at the bottom of the screne
leads me to the box to rename the project (or leave as same) and re-writes
the whole kittencabootle all over again as a save. Not save the last changed
items as what I've become accustom to seeing. Working with large photos,
etc., rewriting takes a long time. Do you still think I may be missing
something?

Thanks mucho.


From: dickmr on 5 Mar 2006 21:17
Hi hkoons...glad to see you came back. Yeah, its probably best to start a
new thread sooner or later so that its more upfront and center. Wojo comes
here more than I do...i'm more of a drive by poster! ha ha One of the
reasons I suggested having smaller clips to render as a part of your movie,
is just for the reason you cited. If there is something wrong such as a
'solid black interruption', all you would have to reload is the 'project' for
that section to correct it and re-render. Don't assume that if the whole
movie took 7.5 hrs to completely render that 4 smaller ones would take 1/4 of
that time. Even with different subject matter you can establish 'breaks' in
the flow of your work and even with music, just right click and do a fade out
to get a proper interim concluding point.

Wojo and I are both pretty big fans of Ulead's Movie Factory....thats why I
sorta tweaked him in that earlier post that I actually used Sonic.... ha ha
ha ha The basic Movie Factory costs $49.95 and you can download a 'trial'
of it at www.ulead.com
Wojo's got the best one....Workshop....and I was sorta hoping he would buy
me one for my birthday....ha ha ha

AVS Video Converter is a great utility mainly for 'converting' video files
to a wide variety of possible formats. Since Movie Maker won't work with
Mpegs, and my recording device (gigapocket) records in Mpegs I convert to avi
quite often. It also
makes dvd's and contains various editing tools but I prefer to use Movie
Factory when I do an important video. AVS Video Converter also has some
cool audio tools and is just a quite handy program to have around. Its got a
'trial' also, and I think it costs $29.95 to buy.... see it at
www.avsmedia.com

Since you are using 'pictures' and not 'video' to make your final movie, you
may find it interesting and useful to save your file as 'high quality-ntsc'
or to one of the high def profiles I mentioned to see what results you
attain. As Wojo mentioned, with that high powered machine you have, it
shouldn't really be taking so long to render your movie, even if it is quite
a long individual project. I still suggest making it in smaller pieces and
putting them together when you make the dvd.....quit going to bed to get out
of your responsibilities of waiting for the pot to boil....thats usually when
I get my laundry done or go out for a looooooong ride! ha ha Good luck.


"hkoons" wrote:

> Next report, Gentlemen.
>
> I returned to my PC 6 AM to find that WMM had successfully completed it's
> task providing my with a very good rendition of my movie.
>
> A few comments:
> dickmr: Those 13 segments aren't equally divided but divided more on
> subject matter. If I were to process them through WMM as 4 sections that
> would only mean that I'd have to get up through the night to close one and
> start the other. Even my final project finished last night in the DV-AVI
> took 7.5 hours for completion. I had shut down all processes, at least as
> indicated on my task bar (Sat modem and all protective services).
>
> Then I cranked up WinDVD (this came as a freeby with my DVD recorder a
> couple of years back). Three times it crashed while I was working with the
> Authoring section, setting up a menu page, etc. I finally cut my first DVD
> and it was a disappointment. It displayed all the jitteriness of my original
> complain, but at least this time around I got it through WMM looking good.
>
> I did notice while working with WinDVD that there was a glitch in one of the
> strips from WMM, a single, solid black interuption in the midst of a
> sequence. After all I've been through with this project I couldn't conceive
> of doing it all over again because of it; I simply deleted it from the rest.
> That does, however, leave an interuption in the visual flow as well as the
> audio.
>
> Now that my final DVD is a disappointment I'm giving thought to starting
> again at WMM, fix my boob and try out some of dickmr suggestions on different
> profiles. I'll also be exploring other DVD editing software and would
> welcome suggestions. Wojos mentioned Ulead and there was mention of AVS
> Video Converter and Movie Maker. I have the Roxio Creator Suite package as
> maybe something in there should suffice. Thoughts?
>
> I'd like to maintain contact with you folks as I'll probably need it but not
> sure if we should continue along this thread. Suggestions?
>
> Wojos: Concerning my PS3 gripe, its "save..." at the bottom of the screne
> leads me to the box to rename the project (or leave as same) and re-writes
> the whole kittencabootle all over again as a save. Not save the last changed
> items as what I've become accustom to seeing. Working with large photos,
> etc., rewriting takes a long time. Do you still think I may be missing
> something?
>
> Thanks mucho.
>
>
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