Adams print sells for $722K
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From: Peter on 22 Jun 2010 23:42 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010062219214077633-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > On 2010-06-22 18:40:47 -0700, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> said: > >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2010062217144829267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> On 2010-06-22 16:23:53 -0700, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> >>> said: >>> >>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2010062210064195335-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>>>> On 2010-06-22 08:19:05 -0700, "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:2010062123051917709-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/21/1219995/ansel-adams-print-sells-for-722k.html >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Savageduck >>>>>> >>>>>> 8^), but I know you meant "722k"...;-) >>>>>> A horror story: on a trip through the west in the 1970s, we stopped >>>>>> at the Adams studio in Yosemite. Available were various mounted >>>>>> 8x10 signed Adams prints. These were made by assistants, but, they >>>>>> *were* signed by Adams... The only available space for storage in >>>>>> the car was under everything in the back rear window shelf, since >>>>>> there were three of us, and we were tent-camping. I was not sure >>>>>> that any photo would travel very well there and my money was also >>>>>> very limited, so I bought only one (at $25, as in, $25!!! ;-). While >>>>>> the >>>>>> photos available were not among Adam's most famous, but still...;-) >>>>>> A few years later, I sold that photo for $850(!). Much more recently, >>>>>> one was appraised on "Antiques Roadshow" for $3,000(!!!). Sigh! >>>>>> Buying a bunch of those would have done better than most good >>>>>> stocks. >>>>> >>>>> It would be nice to have that $25 print now. >>>>> >>>>>> OK, here is a sad one (maybe...). A friend has a friend who owns >>>>>> a very large print of the famous "Sunrise Hernandez". Rather than >>>>>> properly framing it, he attached it to a wall in his house with >>>>>> wallpaper >>>>>> paste! U G H ! ! ! 8^( >>>>>> --DR >>>>> >>>>> Aaaaggh! That isn't a sad tale. That is a horror story. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway here is my pathetic shot of the Valley from the same "Tunnel >>>>> View" position. Alas, no "clearing storm", no view camera, no Adams >>>>> dark room print magic, no $722K. >>>>> ...sigh. >>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YosemiteValleyBWfw.jpg >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nice shot. I world have liked to see a little more dynamic range and >>>> blacker blacks. >>> >>> I didn't limit myself to one shot on that trip. So I have a few >>> different shots of the valley trying to do that Adams thing, as well as >>> some different views of El Capitan, and the ubiquitous Half Dome. >>> I tried all sorts of different things, but I can't kid myself, Ansel's >>> work was simply amazing, and I am no Adams. :-( >>> >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YValley_DSC0964bwfw.jpg >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ElCap_2bwfw.jpg >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Halfdome_DSC0955bwfw.jpg >>> >> >> Just a thought. >> I wonder if a moderate amount of HDR would work. Your shots look like >> they were not taken late in the day, or early morning. > > I had thought about that as well, but at the time of that trip I had not > done any HDR work. Two days after taking the shots I have shown here, I > was faced with a scene off Tioga Pass where the only way I was going to > record what I was seeing was with HDR. So I took the leap, but I was > playing it by ear, and I didn't really know what I was doing. Those > results were so, so, and not entirely satisfying. > > Now I have educated myself with regard to HDR, and feel that I can get > some subtle and satisfying results. Now with HDR Pro in CS5 which can > produce far more subtle and less over the top results than Photomatix. > > I have some ideas for my next Yosemite trip, probably in the Fall or early > Winter. I want to get some of that Yosemite white. > Try making two copies of the raw image. Using ACR underexpose one, over expose the other and leave the third normal. Then try an HDR merge. Then use the infrared effect in CS5. Create a flattened image on top of your layers, multiply to darken the layer and draw a rectangular marquee to leave about 1/10 of the image size on each edge. Feather to 240 pixels and delete the center. If you have any luck you will be pleasantly surprised. You should get a full range of black shading with a subtle dark vignette around the edges. -- Peter
From: Peter on 23 Jun 2010 08:41 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010062222045458821-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > On 2010-06-22 20:42:49 -0700, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> said: > >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2010062219214077633-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > > >> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YValley_DSC0964bwfw.jpg >>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ElCap_2bwfw.jpg >>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Halfdome_DSC0955bwfw.jpg >>>>> >>>> >>>> Just a thought. >>>> I wonder if a moderate amount of HDR would work. Your shots look like >>>> they were not taken late in the day, or early morning. >>> >>> I had thought about that as well, but at the time of that trip I had not >>> done any HDR work. Two days after taking the shots I have shown here, I >>> was faced with a scene off Tioga Pass where the only way I was going to >>> record what I was seeing was with HDR. So I took the leap, but I was >>> playing it by ear, and I didn't really know what I was doing. Those >>> results were so, so, and not entirely satisfying. >>> >>> Now I have educated myself with regard to HDR, and feel that I can get >>> some subtle and satisfying results. Now with HDR Pro in CS5 which can >>> produce far more subtle and less over the top results than Photomatix. >>> >>> I have some ideas for my next Yosemite trip, probably in the Fall or >>> early Winter. I want to get some of that Yosemite white. >>> >> >> >> Try making two copies of the raw image. Using ACR underexpose one, over >> expose the other and leave the third normal. Then try an HDR merge. Then >> use the infrared effect in CS5. Create a flattened image on top of your >> layers, multiply to darken the layer and draw a rectangular marquee to >> leave about 1/10 of the image size on each edge. Feather to 240 pixels >> and delete the center. If you have any luck you will be pleasantly >> surprised. You should get a full range of black shading with a subtle >> dark vignette around the edges. > > OK, I tried the method as you spelt it out to make the pseudo-HDR, and > then added the feathered rect-vignette. Here is the result. > http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YV-PHDR_DSC0964BWfw.jpg > > Interesting, hmmmmm. This does not look like one of my better ideas. The sky got AFU with blown highlights and the haze seems exaggerated. The side land mass has more of the detail I was looking for. Perhaps playing with variations of this technique using masks. The only reason I persist is that I do like your basic image. -- Peter
From: Peter on 23 Jun 2010 11:14 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010062306303810672-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > On 2010-06-23 05:41:02 -0700, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> said: > >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2010062222045458821-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> On 2010-06-22 20:42:49 -0700, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> >>> said: >>> >>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2010062219214077633-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> >>> >>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YValley_DSC0964bwfw.jpg >>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ElCap_2bwfw.jpg >>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Halfdome_DSC0955bwfw.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a thought. >>>>>> I wonder if a moderate amount of HDR would work. Your shots look >>>>>> like they were not taken late in the day, or early morning. >>>>> >>>>> I had thought about that as well, but at the time of that trip I had >>>>> not done any HDR work. Two days after taking the shots I have shown >>>>> here, I was faced with a scene off Tioga Pass where the only way I was >>>>> going to record what I was seeing was with HDR. So I took the leap, >>>>> but I was playing it by ear, and I didn't really know what I was >>>>> doing. Those results were so, so, and not entirely satisfying. >>>>> >>>>> Now I have educated myself with regard to HDR, and feel that I can get >>>>> some subtle and satisfying results. Now with HDR Pro in CS5 which can >>>>> produce far more subtle and less over the top results than Photomatix. >>>>> >>>>> I have some ideas for my next Yosemite trip, probably in the Fall or >>>>> early Winter. I want to get some of that Yosemite white. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Try making two copies of the raw image. Using ACR underexpose one, over >>>> expose the other and leave the third normal. Then try an HDR merge. >>>> Then use the infrared effect in CS5. Create a flattened image on top of >>>> your layers, multiply to darken the layer and draw a rectangular >>>> marquee to leave about 1/10 of the image size on each edge. Feather to >>>> 240 pixels and delete the center. If you have any luck you will be >>>> pleasantly surprised. You should get a full range of black shading with >>>> a subtle dark vignette around the edges. >>> >>> OK, I tried the method as you spelt it out to make the pseudo-HDR, and >>> then added the feathered rect-vignette. Here is the result. >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YV-PHDR_DSC0964BWfw.jpg >>> >>> Interesting, hmmmmm. >> >> >> This does not look like one of my better ideas. The sky got AFU with >> blown highlights and the haze seems exaggerated. The side land mass has >> more of the detail I was looking for. Perhaps playing with variations of >> this technique using masks. The only reason I persist is that I do like >> your basic image. > > > The blown clouds were a big problem for me. I suppose a different set of > + - exposures might be the answer, along with masks. > ...or perhaps getting to "Tunnel View" early on my next Yosemite trip, > armed with a view camera and beard will be the way to go. > > This has been an interesting exercise and it is always good to try > different stuff. > It is all fun after all. > Another thought. How did you originally convert to BW? I wonder if your original method of desaturation caused the original flat look. -- Peter
From: David Ruether on 23 Jun 2010 15:41 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010062217144829267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > I didn't limit myself to one shot on that trip. So I have a few different shots of the valley trying to do that Adams thing, as > well as some different views of El Capitan, and the ubiquitous Half Dome. > I tried all sorts of different things, but I can't kid myself, Ansel's work was simply amazing, and I am no Adams. :-( > > http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YValley_DSC0964bwfw.jpg > http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ElCap_2bwfw.jpg > http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Halfdome_DSC0955bwfw.jpg > > -- > Regards, > > Savageduck Even though I had some early successes with showing and sales of B&W prints to museums (see, for an idea of some: http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht1.html, http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht2.html, http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht3.html, and http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht4.html) but these pages show only one of my many museum sales (and one bunch was involved in a funny/complicated/finally-too-bad story about their fate...). Now, though, I accept that I will never be a famous photographer/videographer/painter/ graphics-printer/poet/writer/singer/actor/musician/etc., and that what I can do is enjoy the work of others. It's funny how I can approach with pleasure works that I would once have dismissed (and this is now costing me serious money as I collect movies, music, etc...;-). --DR
From: David Ruether on 23 Jun 2010 17:52
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010062313550591745-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > On 2010-06-23 12:41:24 -0700, "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> said: >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2010062217144829267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> I didn't limit myself to one shot on that trip. So I have a few different shots of the valley trying to do that Adams thing, as >>> well as some different views of El Capitan, and the ubiquitous Half Dome. >>> I tried all sorts of different things, but I can't kid myself, Ansel's work was simply amazing, and I am no Adams. :-( >>> >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/YValley_DSC0964bwfw.jpg >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ElCap_2bwfw.jpg >>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Halfdome_DSC0955bwfw.jpg -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Savageduck [With a bit of sentence-structure corrected...] >> Even though I had some early successes with showing and >> sales of B&W prints to museums (see, for an idea of some: >> http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht1.html, >> http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht2.html, >> http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht3.html, and >> http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/aht4.html - but these >> pages show only one of my many museum sales, and one >> bunch was involved in a funny/complicated/finally-too-bad >> story about their fate...), I now accept that I will >> never be a famous photographer/videographer/painter/ >> graphics-printer/poet/writer/singer/actor/musician/etc., and >> that what I can do is enjoy the work of others. It's funny how >> I can approach with pleasure works that I would once have >> dismissed (and this is now costing me serious money as I >> collect movies, music, etc...;-). >> --DR > Very nice. The Finger Lakes and Watkins Glen were one of my stomping grounds in the early 70's, as were the Adirondacks between > Old Forge and Lake Placid. > ...but you were using a view camera. I am playing with my diminutive D300 sensor. > > BTW, the first three url's are dead. -- > Regards, > > Savageduck Those URLs work for me (from your response post, and from my original), although I did spot a horrible sentence-structure problem in my post. I wonder why the first three URLs didn't (still don't?) work for you. BTW, those were shot with a film Nikon - and I would likely shoot with a D90 now (the D300 and D700 are too heavy for me now... { :-[ ). --DR |