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From: Yousuf Khan on 21 Jan 2010 11:17 Cronos wrote: > Yousuf Khan wrote: >>> But the SMART raw data fields >>> require human intelligence to interpret. > > Intelligent people don't sit around yapping about HDDs all day. They > spend it reading Kafka, Hesse, Sarte, etc. I think you mean, requires > knowledge and not "intelligence". Anyway, no way am I going to credit > Rod Speed as an intelligent being. ;) Well I doubt Kafka, Hesse, or Sartre could've recognized a failing hard drive. But I will say that certain computer programs like HD Sentinel are much better than average at recognizing a failing hard drive beyond the idiotic SMART "OK" ratings, they're getting closer to human-level quality. But of course, HD Sentinel is the culmination of years of human experience, rolled into rules for a computer program. Yousuf Khan
From: Arno on 21 Jan 2010 13:30 In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Yousuf Khan <bbbl67(a)spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote: > Cronos wrote: >> Yousuf Khan wrote: >>>> But the SMART raw data fields >>>> require human intelligence to interpret. >> >> Intelligent people don't sit around yapping about HDDs all day. They >> spend it reading Kafka, Hesse, Sarte, etc. I think you mean, requires >> knowledge and not "intelligence". Anyway, no way am I going to credit >> Rod Speed as an intelligent being. ;) > Well I doubt Kafka, Hesse, or Sartre could've recognized a failing hard > drive. But I will say that certain computer programs like HD Sentinel > are much better than average at recognizing a failing hard drive beyond > the idiotic SMART "OK" ratings, they're getting closer to human-level > quality. But of course, HD Sentinel is the culmination of years of human > experience, rolled into rules for a computer program. Indeed. And so far the only pice of software I know that is halfway competent in this area. The rest just gives you plain data without interpretation. Truely a sad state for data storage, but it seems a) people do not care and b) people do not have made really bad experiences in large enough numbers. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno(a)wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans
From: Cronos on 21 Jan 2010 14:04 Gerry wrote: > Cronos > > You were saying -"HDTune is no longer free"? > http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4130.html > > I just checked the author's site and it says "free trial" so is still free but there is a pay for pro version too with advanced features. Calling it a "trial" threw me off because that implies it is just a time limited version but in fact it is not and is free forever. He should change it to read 'Free Version'. http://www.hdtune.com/download.html
From: Cronos on 21 Jan 2010 14:10 Arno wrote: > I found both Kafka and Hesse to be exceedingly boring and often > obvious. Quite a waste of time. Did not try Sartre. Hesse is considered one of the greatest existential writers ever so disagree with your comment greatly. I have read almost all of his books. If you find it boring then it is because you don't have the intellect for it. > What it takes is intelligence to recognize it is actually a > difficult problem (which is rather hard for many people, obviously) > and experience to give intelligence something to work with. > Knowledge does not really come into it besides that. otherwise > you could just read up oh how to do it. And anyone can read up on how to decipher the SMART data. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to do that.
From: David B. on 21 Jan 2010 15:08
to irritate you? -- -- "Arno" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:7rph4iFc3iU1(a)mid.individual.net... > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage David B. <mail(a)nomail.net> wrote: >> you don't say > > What is the point of your postings so far? > > Arno > > >> -- > > >> -- >> "Arno" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:7rntsoF5s3U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage David B. <mail(a)nomail.net> wrote: >>>> Don't really need it, by the time a PC hits my bench the drive is >>>> usually >>>> to >>>> the point where even the geek squad could tell it's bad. >>> >>> Well, there is "bad" and "bad". Not all storege failures >>> are due to a bad drive. It can also be interface errors, bad >>> mounting, a marginal PSU. And the drive can have bad secotrs, >>> seek problems, can have died from heat, etc. >>> >>> Arno >>> >>>> -- >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> "Arno" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:7rmiq8Fo52U3(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage David B. <mail(a)nomail.net> wrote: >>>>>> A smart report is useless, more often than not when I find a bad hard >>>>>> drive. >>>>>> smart believes there is no problem with the drive, it's unreliable at >>>>>> best. >>>>> >>>>> Nobody said to look at the "smart status", which is pretty useless. >>>>> Hovever the concrete values of the individual SMART attributes are >>>>> not. Seems you are not using 99% of what SMART offers. >>>>> >>>>> Arno >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67(a)spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4b55ca94$1(a)news.bnb-lp.com... >>>>>>> Gary wrote: >>>>>>>> What does it usually mean when I run a disk scan for bad sectors on >>>>>>>> c >>>>>>>> drive and the result is "Windows was unable to complete the disk >>>>>>>> scan" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The symptom is a blue screen saying that there is most likely a bad >>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>> of hardware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Download the free Everest utilities, from the following website: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.lavalys.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Run the Storage -> SMART report on the appropriate hard drive, and >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> the results to your reply. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yousuf Khan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: >>>>> arno(a)wagner.name >>>>> GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 >>>>> 1E25 >>>>> 338F >>>>> ---- >>>>> Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: >>> arno(a)wagner.name >>> GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 >>> 338F >>> ---- >>> Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans > > > -- > Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: > arno(a)wagner.name > GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 > 338F > ---- > Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans |