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From: Joe Kotroczo on 8 Jul 2010 09:05
On 08/07/2010 14:55, in article
R5OdnckHbd9VV6jRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
<bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
> news:C85B9484.C437C%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
>> On 08/07/2010 13:58, in article
>> 7fidnaRrQLvjIKjRnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "nandan21" <nandan21(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a396a3dc-4c2a-4dc6-b91a-70b8fd02a11c(a)x2g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Most of the Engineers prefer to sit in centre of the audience to mix a
>>>> live performance, but a few prefer to sit off-centre. Sitting in
>>>> centre does not give correct idea of your mix as bass frequencies sum
>>>> up at that position, points tech papers and writings. What are your
>>>> reasoned preferences?
>>>
>>> it makes no diffrence to me
>>> I am as happy behind or next to the stage as I am out front
>>> what ever works for the event
>>
>> You are really claiming to be able to mix a concert from behind the stage?
>>
> if that is what is BEST for the event iot is what I would do
> have you ever been to a concert where mixing behind the stage was BEST FOR
> THE EVENT?
> please read what I write
> I am happy to mix where ever is BEST FOR THE EVENT
> I do not insist on being front center at industrial trade shows
> JOE "BEST FOR THE EVENT"
> need I say it again
> if front center is BEST FOR THE EVENT, I am happy to mix there
> if not I am just as happy to mix else where

I just cannot imagine any situation where BEHIND is BEST FOR THE EVENT. You
can neither hear nor see what is going on on stage, so you can not mix. Not
being able to mix cannot be BEST FOR THE EVENT.

George, maybe you should do me the courtesy of actually reading what I
wrote. Did I write anywhere that one should insist to be front centre?

It makes sense, to me at least, to have FOH somewhere where the person
mixing can see and hear what is happening on stage. Or are you going to
contradict me out of spite and tell me one does not need to hear or see to
be able to mix?



--
Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com

From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 8 Jul 2010 09:46

"Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
news:C85B99AA.C4389%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
> On 08/07/2010 14:55, in article
> R5OdnckHbd9VV6jRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:C85B9484.C437C%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
>>> On 08/07/2010 13:58, in article
>>> 7fidnaRrQLvjIKjRnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
>>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "nandan21" <nandan21(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:a396a3dc-4c2a-4dc6-b91a-70b8fd02a11c(a)x2g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Most of the Engineers prefer to sit in centre of the audience to mix a
>>>>> live performance, but a few prefer to sit off-centre. Sitting in
>>>>> centre does not give correct idea of your mix as bass frequencies sum
>>>>> up at that position, points tech papers and writings. What are your
>>>>> reasoned preferences?
>>>>
>>>> it makes no diffrence to me
>>>> I am as happy behind or next to the stage as I am out front
>>>> what ever works for the event
>>>
>>> You are really claiming to be able to mix a concert from behind the
>>> stage?
>>>
>> if that is what is BEST for the event iot is what I would do
>> have you ever been to a concert where mixing behind the stage was BEST
>> FOR
>> THE EVENT?
>> please read what I write
>> I am happy to mix where ever is BEST FOR THE EVENT
>> I do not insist on being front center at industrial trade shows
>> JOE "BEST FOR THE EVENT"
>> need I say it again
>> if front center is BEST FOR THE EVENT, I am happy to mix there
>> if not I am just as happy to mix else where
>
> I just cannot imagine any situation where BEHIND is BEST FOR THE EVENT.
> You
> can neither hear nor see what is going on on stage, so you can not mix.
> Not
> being able to mix cannot be BEST FOR THE EVENT.
>
> George, maybe you should do me the courtesy of actually reading what I
> wrote. Did I write anywhere that one should insist to be front centre?
>
> It makes sense, to me at least, to have FOH somewhere where the person
> mixing can see and hear what is happening on stage. Or are you going to
> contradict me out of spite and tell me one does not need to hear or see to
> be able to mix?
>
I have mixed at several churches where the sound equipment is located behind
the alter
the Green man pub in Asheville NC the sound mixer is in a closet two rooms
away from the stage facing the back of the closet, you have to stand on a
chair and look over your shoulder to even see the stage
No industrial event have I ever done where the console is front center
just because you can't imagine does not mean that it is not happening
and for reasons unknown to me , somebody decided that behind the alter, or
in the mop storage closet was best for thier events
I just rolled with it
not a big deal, get in do your job, get paid, get out
G


From: Tim Perry on 8 Jul 2010 10:48

"nandan21" <nandan21(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a396a3dc-4c2a-4dc6-b91a-70b8fd02a11c(a)x2g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
> Most of the Engineers prefer to sit in centre of the audience to mix a
> live performance, but a few prefer to sit off-centre. Sitting in
> centre does not give correct idea of your mix as bass frequencies sum
> up at that position, points tech papers and writings.

And what of the people sitting in the center? who's to say what is correct?


>What are your
> reasoned preferences?

I find that being able to hear both sides equally is preferable, however
last nights big band gig put me in front of the stage left speakers.

Like George says, more often then not, the dictates of others preclude
personal preference.


From: Joe Kotroczo on 8 Jul 2010 11:07
On 08/07/2010 15:46, in article
U5adncgr_aY8S6jRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
<bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
> news:C85B99AA.C4389%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
>> On 08/07/2010 14:55, in article
>> R5OdnckHbd9VV6jRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
>>> news:C85B9484.C437C%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
>>>> On 08/07/2010 13:58, in article
>>>> 7fidnaRrQLvjIKjRnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
>>>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "nandan21" <nandan21(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:a396a3dc-4c2a-4dc6-b91a-70b8fd02a11c(a)x2g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Most of the Engineers prefer to sit in centre of the audience to mix a
>>>>>> live performance, but a few prefer to sit off-centre. Sitting in
>>>>>> centre does not give correct idea of your mix as bass frequencies sum
>>>>>> up at that position, points tech papers and writings. What are your
>>>>>> reasoned preferences?
>>>>>
>>>>> it makes no diffrence to me
>>>>> I am as happy behind or next to the stage as I am out front
>>>>> what ever works for the event
>>>>
>>>> You are really claiming to be able to mix a concert from behind the
>>>> stage?
>>>>
>>> if that is what is BEST for the event iot is what I would do
>>> have you ever been to a concert where mixing behind the stage was BEST
>>> FOR
>>> THE EVENT?
>>> please read what I write
>>> I am happy to mix where ever is BEST FOR THE EVENT
>>> I do not insist on being front center at industrial trade shows
>>> JOE "BEST FOR THE EVENT"
>>> need I say it again
>>> if front center is BEST FOR THE EVENT, I am happy to mix there
>>> if not I am just as happy to mix else where
>>
>> I just cannot imagine any situation where BEHIND is BEST FOR THE EVENT.
>> You
>> can neither hear nor see what is going on on stage, so you can not mix.
>> Not
>> being able to mix cannot be BEST FOR THE EVENT.
>>
>> George, maybe you should do me the courtesy of actually reading what I
>> wrote. Did I write anywhere that one should insist to be front centre?
>>
>> It makes sense, to me at least, to have FOH somewhere where the person
>> mixing can see and hear what is happening on stage. Or are you going to
>> contradict me out of spite and tell me one does not need to hear or see to
>> be able to mix?
>>
> I have mixed at several churches where the sound equipment is located behind
> the alter
> the Green man pub in Asheville NC the sound mixer is in a closet two rooms
> away from the stage facing the back of the closet, you have to stand on a
> chair and look over your shoulder to even see the stage
> No industrial event have I ever done where the console is front center
> just because you can't imagine does not mean that it is not happening
> and for reasons unknown to me , somebody decided that behind the alter, or
> in the mop storage closet was best for thier events
> I just rolled with it
> not a big deal, get in do your job, get paid, get out
> G

I can believe that you've done that, but I still would be interested in how
you were able to mix without hearing.

If at the next pub gig, they decide that the mixer has go go in a house
across the street, how will you be able to mix?

I for one can't mix anything if I'm not hearing it.


--
Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com

From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 8 Jul 2010 11:44

"Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
news:C85BB63F.C439A%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
> On 08/07/2010 15:46, in article
> U5adncgr_aY8S6jRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:C85B99AA.C4389%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
>>> On 08/07/2010 14:55, in article
>>> R5OdnckHbd9VV6jRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Co."
>>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C85B9484.C437C%kotroczo(a)mac.com...
>>>>> On 08/07/2010 13:58, in article
>>>>> 7fidnaRrQLvjIKjRnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound
>>>>> Co."
>>>>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "nandan21" <nandan21(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:a396a3dc-4c2a-4dc6-b91a-70b8fd02a11c(a)x2g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Most of the Engineers prefer to sit in centre of the audience to mix
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> live performance, but a few prefer to sit off-centre. Sitting in
>>>>>>> centre does not give correct idea of your mix as bass frequencies
>>>>>>> sum
>>>>>>> up at that position, points tech papers and writings. What are your
>>>>>>> reasoned preferences?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it makes no diffrence to me
>>>>>> I am as happy behind or next to the stage as I am out front
>>>>>> what ever works for the event
>>>>>
>>>>> You are really claiming to be able to mix a concert from behind the
>>>>> stage?
>>>>>
>>>> if that is what is BEST for the event iot is what I would do
>>>> have you ever been to a concert where mixing behind the stage was BEST
>>>> FOR
>>>> THE EVENT?
>>>> please read what I write
>>>> I am happy to mix where ever is BEST FOR THE EVENT
>>>> I do not insist on being front center at industrial trade shows
>>>> JOE "BEST FOR THE EVENT"
>>>> need I say it again
>>>> if front center is BEST FOR THE EVENT, I am happy to mix there
>>>> if not I am just as happy to mix else where
>>>
>>> I just cannot imagine any situation where BEHIND is BEST FOR THE EVENT.
>>> You
>>> can neither hear nor see what is going on on stage, so you can not mix.
>>> Not
>>> being able to mix cannot be BEST FOR THE EVENT.
>>>
>>> George, maybe you should do me the courtesy of actually reading what I
>>> wrote. Did I write anywhere that one should insist to be front centre?
>>>
>>> It makes sense, to me at least, to have FOH somewhere where the person
>>> mixing can see and hear what is happening on stage. Or are you going to
>>> contradict me out of spite and tell me one does not need to hear or see
>>> to
>>> be able to mix?
>>>
>> I have mixed at several churches where the sound equipment is located
>> behind
>> the alter
>> the Green man pub in Asheville NC the sound mixer is in a closet two
>> rooms
>> away from the stage facing the back of the closet, you have to stand on a
>> chair and look over your shoulder to even see the stage
>> No industrial event have I ever done where the console is front center
>> just because you can't imagine does not mean that it is not happening
>> and for reasons unknown to me , somebody decided that behind the alter,
>> or
>> in the mop storage closet was best for thier events
>> I just rolled with it
>> not a big deal, get in do your job, get paid, get out
>> G
>
> I can believe that you've done that, but I still would be interested in
> how
> you were able to mix without hearing.
>
> If at the next pub gig, they decide that the mixer has go go in a house
> across the street, how will you be able to mix?
>
> I for one can't mix anything if I'm not hearing it.

JOE , you walk out , listen , go back and make a adjustment, repeat as neede
it was great when I had my wo0nderful LS9 and was running studio manager
I could set it up anywhere and still mix where ever I wanted via the
wireless interface
I will be going to another yamaha desk shortly just for that feature, but
waiting out till the next gen of yamaha digitals is announced, I expect a
big announcment of (value priced )digital desks at the winter trade shows
George
>
>
> --
> Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com
>


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