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From: Peter on 10 Jul 2010 15:56
"Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Peter wrote:
>> "me" <me(a)mine.net> wrote in message
>> news:95gh36p2teqmjpm8s7uv49qujk6cm7pkd2(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:32:16 -0400, "Peter"
>>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> For serious graphics work your choices are limited to LaCie, NEC and
>>>> ViewSonic.
>>>
>>> Glad I only do this for fun, otherwise I might be severely
>>> dissapointed with my Eizo CE240W.
>>
>>
>> So! If you like it, fine. I only post about those items I am familiar
>> with.
>>
> Is that the EIZO that some group (TIPA, I believe) in the August
> Shutterbug as the bet monitor for photo work?


It could be, but since I have never worked with one, I cannot comment in the
context of my reply. I guess I should have said Google to see if other
monitors are better, just to satisfy those who will mention others that I
probably omitted.

--
Peter

From: Robert Sneddon on 10 Jul 2010 17:31
In message <i1afsl$2j90$1(a)adenine.netfront.net>, lofi
<fac_187(a)hotmail.com> writes
>If you intend to do color managed printing then look for a panel that
>uses IPS technology unless your budget is unlimited. Viewsonic, NEC
>and a few others now make these panels at reasonable prices.

Most monitor makers use panels from a few manufacturers such as Samsung
and Philips and do not in fact make the panels themselves. They may add
their own backlighting system -- the most common high end backlight
option these days is LED rather than Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp or
CCFL. Look for panels described as S-IPS or S-PVA as these will have
better colour rendition than TN (Twisted Nematic) screens. You can
usually expect to pay two to three times the price of TN screens for
S-IPS or S-PVA devices though.

One of several factors to watch out for in the specs of any candidate
monitors you shortlist is mention of the displayable gamut. A good
monitor that will work well with your printing workflow will have a high
gamut, that is it can reproduce a wide range of colours matching or
exceeding something like the Adobe gamut which is a standard in
Photoshop. The most recent Apple 24" LED-backlit display on the market
claims it can show 117% of the Adobe gamut, for example and this means
that the screen image displayed can be faithfully reproduced on a
Abobe-gamut-capable printer or production press system via Pantone.

Manufacturers like Eizo targeting the professional image processing
market add calibration functions over and above those supplied with
consumer displays. A "spider" is a useful tool to maintain a standard
level of calibration for such monitors, very important if you need to
maintain a standard for colours over a period of months or years.
Spiders will do a useful job even on cheaper TN screens in maintaining
standard colour reproduction.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/spyder2pro.html

is a review of one such third-party tool. Spiders and their calibration
software usually retail for about a hundred bucks or so and they can be
used on several different screens in a given shop under the licence.

>Again, if your goal is not accurate color managed printing you do not
>need an expensive monitor.

If you plan to edit for the Web then a consumer-grade TN screen or two
in your office is actually useful to sanity-check the images you
produce. I worked at a TV production facility for a time and the editors
and producers had a poorly-lit room with a number of badly adjusted
domestic TV sets in place to visualise what their end-users would
actually experience when watching their programs rather than relying
exclusively on the well-maintained professional monitors they edited
stuff together in the studio's galleries and VT suites.
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From: G Paleologopoulos on 10 Jul 2010 18:19
"Robert Sneddon" <fred(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
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>
>..........................................
> One of several factors to watch out for in the specs of any candidate
> monitors you shortlist is mention of the displayable gamut. A good
> monitor that will work well with your printing workflow will have a high
> gamut, that is it can reproduce a wide range of colours matching or
> exceeding something like the Adobe gamut which is a standard in
> Photoshop. The most recent Apple 24" LED-backlit display on the market
> claims it can show 117% of the Adobe gamut, for example and this means
> that the screen image displayed can be faithfully reproduced on a
> Abobe-gamut-capable printer or production press system via Pantone.
> .........................................
>

Your statement may be misleading in that you apparently mean the RGB gamut
(Adobe or otherwise), whereas the Adobe gamut you mention usually refers to
the AdobeRGB gamut which is an expanded RGB to begin with.
So I seriously doubt Apple monitors will display 117% of the AdobeRGB gamut.

From: Al Dykes on 10 Jul 2010 19:29
In article <4c38bcbf$0$5507$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>,
Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>"Wally" <Wally(a)luxx.com> wrote in message
>news:hc9h36pa39s258jvejdkm9ohmegd0v9nm9(a)4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:01:54 -0700 (PDT), Bob AZ <rwatson767(a)aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Problem is, there isn't good consensus as to which is the best, or
>>>> even satisfactory for graphics use. Examples:
>>>>
>>>> Dell UltraSharp 2410 and its close relatives are expensive, and some
>>>> of them have a pink tint or pink-green color issues.
>>>>> Wally
>>>
>>>Wally
>>>
>>>For my photography computer I have a Dell U2410 Ultrasharp monitor. 5
>>>years old. Used several hours a day, 7 days a week. No problems at
>>>all. I check it with a friends Huey monitor calibrator several tmes a
>>>year. Never a tweaking needed. I have upgraded my video card twice and
>>>the monitor went right along.
>>>
>>>I do use this monitor 90%+ for photography. Just plain no problems at
>>>all. I used to use a 19" monitor but it simply was not big enough for
>>>the photography that I do. The Dell 24" is fine. Hold several images
>>>and the attendant windows as needed.
>>
>>
>> Hey thanks, Bob in AZ.
>>
>> Well, maybe I will get the Dell then. And maybe I will need to spend
>> time to figure out the color calibration.
>>
>> You mention "DVI port" -- ?? Must have to do with the graphics card.
>> My box is 9 mo old, Intel E8400, runs Win 7, and I think just has the
>> graphics stuff on the main board. Will I need to buy a graphics card
>> to drive the Dell?
>>
>
>
>For serious graphics work your choices are limited to LaCie, NEC and
>ViewSonic.

It appears that Eizo should be on the short list. This is one od the
first monitors to go beyond 8 bits per pixel.



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/651901-REG/Eizo_CG243W_BK_ColorEdge_CG243W_24_1_Widescreen.html

--
Al Dykes
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- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

From: Robert Sneddon on 10 Jul 2010 20:07
In message <1278800385.183703(a)athprx04>, G Paleologopoulos
<gpaleo(a)ath.forthnet.gr> writes
>"Robert Sneddon" <fred(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote news:pA5omqSGbOOMFw+V@
>nospam.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> One of several factors to watch out for in the specs of any candidate
>> monitors you shortlist is mention of the displayable gamut. A good
>> monitor that will work well with your printing workflow will have a high
>> gamut, that is it can reproduce a wide range of colours matching or
>> exceeding something like the Adobe gamut which is a standard in
>> Photoshop.
>
>Your statement may be misleading in that you apparently mean the RGB
>gamut (Adobe or otherwise), whereas the Adobe gamut you mention usually
>refers to the AdobeRGB gamut which is an expanded RGB to begin with.
>So I seriously doubt Apple monitors will display 117% of the AdobeRGB
>gamut.

Yep, you're right. The 117% figure I was remembering was the sRGB
gamut. The newer LED-backlit S-IPS units are shipping with near-100%
AdobeRGB gamut though, even the Dells (23" U2410 and 27" U2711). Getting
authoritative figures for gamut out of the makers and resellers is
difficult, possibly because the supply of panels varies in grade
occasionally or as new manufacturing processes are implemented.
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