From: George Hammond on
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:35:48 -0800 (PST), Tiger Would
<theoreticalfolly(a)aol.com> wrote:

<SNIP>
>
>Mark
>Just passin' thru (life)
>
>
[Hammond]
Thanks for your amateur commentary, I'm sure it will be
of interest to someone. Given your lack of credentials and
scientific achievements however your caf� style monologue is
of little relevance to this hard science investigation into
life after death. But thanks for at least posting
on-topic.
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From: Zinnic on
On Dec 9, 6:30 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote:
> LOG   12-9-09   THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
>
> Copyright December 2009, George Hammond
>
>    In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short
> millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at
> Froehlich s frequency could easily contain a year of human
> experience, and thus  even though the bedside observer would
> see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly
> departed would subjectively live on for a year in
> cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond
> demise.
>    I ve been thinking some more about the death stream
> download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail.
> Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a
> running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every
> second of every day.  It would constantly be edited and
> distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and
> edit a Hollywood movie.  This in fact, might even be the
> primary function of  nocturnal dreaming.
>    So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is
> residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to
> download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should
> death occur.  The question then arises as to why this dream
> would automatically download when you die.  My answer to
> that is that it must be completely natural, that is a
> default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly,
> the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to
> do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you
> die, this pent-up font of  "flat space" reality, by the same
> token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire
> cytoskeleton of the brain.  And this is what produces "life
> after death" so-called.
>    The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular
> Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore
> the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is
> "flat subjective space" .. it can only perceive a "curved
> version" (truncation) of subjective space-time a "curved
> version" of reality as it were.  However, our brain is able
> to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real,
> i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some
> analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space
> extrapolation" of what we actually see.  Of course the
> microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the
> neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big
> enough to display it.  But it remains "pent-up" or "latent"
> somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of
> subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and
> edited into what we are now calling  "an afterlife dream
> world".
>    Okay, that is how and why it gets composed.  Now we have
> to address, how and why it downloads at death.  Presumably,
> death occurs from the top down.  That is, the neuronal
> system shuts down or "flat lines" first.  And then begins
> the slower process of the disintegration of the
> cytoskeleton-microtubule system.  My first intuition would
> be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what
> triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps
> for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally
> a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system
> flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop"
> and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any
> heretofore undisplayed information into the entire
> cytoskeleton  whereas previously it was negative feedback
> from the neuronal system that was truncating that
> information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up
> in the microtubule memory.  That s one of certainly many
> possibilities.
>    And I must add here,  that this death dream signal may
> not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could
> just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body
> since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected
> by microwave gap junctions .  This means that your entire
> body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus,
> motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing
> this dream firsthand.  It would in other words, be
> completely real!  This is why the microtubule computer in
> the brain is sufficient to do the job of  Tipler s
> "astronomical sized"computer".  His computer was designed to
> synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the
> advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of
> the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule
> computer!  This reduces the size of the necessary computer
> by a "double exponential" sized factor!  And this literally
> brings the problem down to earth.
>
> Serious intellectual commentary is invited, hecklers will be
> killfiled.
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Your small step in the physicalist world from neuronal networks to
cytoskeletons does not begin to address the leap of faith required to
cross over from the mundane to the imagined miracle of 'life' after
death.
After "flat" neuronal function transfers to spend a parsec as the
"curved reality" of cytoskeletal function, what then?
When the physical cytoskeleton disintegrates and rots, is the 'soul'
distilled from the ferment and condensed by some miraculous procecess
into pure disembodied spirit ?
Seems to me you still have some explaining to do!
Zinnic
From: Otto Bahn on
"Tiger Would" (if that is your REAL name) <theoreticalfolly(a)aol.com> wrote

> >Hello George. First let me say that this is the real
> >Mark, and I'm aware that the troll may have replied to
> >you in recent posts, none of which I read, so I can
> >only hope you knew it was him. I've only responded
> >to you I think 2 times ever. Now, I wanted to say...
>
> [Hammond]
> First of all, anyone who is not using their full name and
> doesn't have an identifying website listing their
> credentials is considered a "pseudo-anonymous" poster, and
> that includes you.
<
<I'm not a pseudo-anonymous poster. I'm an actual
<anonymous poster. It isn't wise to be giving out one's
<whereabouts and whatnots for an entire world to ponder for
<exploitation.

What on Earth do you mean?

--oTTo--


From: Mark on
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:30:08 -0800, George Hammond wrote:

> Serious intellectual commentary is invited,

Would you burp my sperm?
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
From: Glenn Knickerbocker on
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:59:39 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
> Secondly, Mark is the second most common name in the
>English language after John, which is why two of the four
>Gospels are named Mark and John.

Well, nobody can accuse George of a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.

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