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From: Marc Verkade [Marti] on 23 May 2010 16:34 Hello, We (Bob, Bulent, Ronald and I) have attended DevShare in Shrewton, England last few days. Very nice organised! Thanx Phil, Alwyn and everybody else involved (the wives!). @Alwyn: Can I hire the BBQ guy for our Marti BBQ later this year? There were about 35 people attending this un-official Vulcan conference. Saw nice things from Colin, Willy, Robert, Alwyn, Dieter, Chris and others. It seems that Vulcan is finally maturing, I learrned a lot and have seen a lot! Thanx all! It was nice meeting again at DevShare! Furthermore I want to share with you all that we are in the middle of transporting our Bake-it VO app to Vulcan. This is our process so far: Phase 1 - Tidy up the Bake-it VO repo and get rid of all things we do not use and restructure some librarys due to cross-references Phase 2 - Transport the VO project to Vulcan and replace some awkward code to .Net equivalents These 2 phases are now done and we are ready for Phase 3 : Get it 100% running in Vulcan.Net. Bake-it.Net is working for about 85% now: - Sven menu's - BBrowser - VO2ADO - FabZip - FabPaint - 98% of all 900 Windows - 99% of all 295 Tables What has our focus the next month by our devteam to get it all running: - ADS.Net integration (Nice session of Joachim at DevShare I heard!) in stead of the old VO-ADS classes (Simple) - Replace XMLParser from Anthony Smith with DotNet equivalent (Simple) - Replace OLE Automation with DotNet equivalents (Word / Excel / Webbrowser) (Simple) - Crystal Report 8.5 integration (some prototypes are invalid, who has the C++ header files of Crystal 8.5???) (Not very simple, needs C++ master ;-) ) If that will not work, we will move over to the latest Crystal Reports for ..Net (Simple) - Review encryption routines for our licensing routines - Replace RalfK errorhandler with .Net one. Seen a nice one from Willy and we build one ourselves in C# already (Simple) - Add scripting to replace VO-Script. I have seen a scripting sample, so I think we will manage this (Not very simple due to script conversions) When this is done, I guess we have the transportation covered 99%. In the mean time, we have set up a test-team that will test Bake-it.Net in phase 4 (Internal testing Internal + external Beta at several customers) Testing will take some time due to the fact we did not have class-checking on in VO. Dumb mistake I made 10 years ago ;-) We want to deploy our Bake-it.Net in august 2010. This will be phase 5 (= Deployment) Bake-it.Net is running in VS2008 and VS2010. It only took us a few weeks to convert almost 1000 windows and 300 servers and get where we are! I know we will run into some problems and will get the difficult part in the last phase, testing and deployment, but I am confident we will make it in the next months. Vulcan is much tighter and we already caught some nice mistakes, so our code is better! Good to see that Alwyn almost finished his 900 page Vulcan book; we really need it! I heard you can pre-order it soon.. (At least I did ;-) ) Regards and have fun! Marc Verkade (and the rest of the Marti team)
From: richard.townsendrose on 24 May 2010 03:49 Marc once alwyn [a pragmatic engineer] decides to write a book, then this says two very important things: a) vulcan is stable b) it has future you have also confirmed that all the bits that one needs for a major app now really do exist and rewally do work thanks for the update - please invite me to the next one, and alwyn, can i please order the book ! I still occasionally refer to the VO one ! richard
From: Nick Friend on 24 May 2010 04:08 I'd like to echo the thanks to Phil and Alwyn for a great event. It was a very productive (and enjoyable) environment to kick ideas around in an informal way. I've been ducking in and out of the process of moving to .NET and/or Vulcan, not quite sure of the approach to take regarding our existing VO code, but I think the last couple of days have helped to clarify things greatly for us. I've been away from Vulcan for a few months, responding to different commercial pressures, and it's nice to see a whole combination of factors coming together... language, compiler, environment, documentation (at least 900 pages that I know of ;-) ) and supporting codes and tools. I'm aware that certain people (unnamed) will almost certainly jump into this thread and tell us it's obvious we should just go to C#, and C# will undoubtedly be a tool we use extensively, but it's not the whole story and Vulcan will definitely play an important role in letting us moving smoothly to NET with minimum disprution. Can't wait to pile into WPF. Nick On 23 May, 21:34, "Marc Verkade [Marti]" <marc...(a)rti.nl> wrote: > Hello, > > We (Bob, Bulent, Ronald and I) have attended DevShare in Shrewton, England > last few days. Very nice organised! Thanx Phil, Alwyn and everybody else > involved (the > wives!).
From: Geoff Schaller on 24 May 2010 18:17 Vulcan???? Stable? I've seen isotopes of uranium more stable. It has no future It has no user base It has basically no sample base you can count on It is limited compared to C# and VB Its integration with VS is limited It evolves only at a glacial pace It has a developer team of precisely one But it does have a degree of VO compatibility so if that is your only measure then go for it. Geoff "richard.townsendrose" <richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:d2b7a423-1838-4a02-adff-0b4667c61fa1(a)m21g2000vbr.googlegroups.com: > Marc > > once alwyn [a pragmatic engineer] decides to write a book, then this > says two very important things: > > a) vulcan is stable > b) it has future > > you have also confirmed that all the bits that one needs for a major > app now really do exist and rewally do work > > thanks for the update - please invite me to the next one, and alwyn, > can i please order the book ! I still occasionally refer to the VO > one ! > > richard
From: Marc Verkade [Marti] on 24 May 2010 18:52
Hey, > It has no future Wrong > It has no user base Wrong > 0 > It has basically no sample base you can count on Partly wrong > It is limited compared to C# and VB Partly wrong > Its integration with VS is limited Wrong > It evolves only at a glacial pace ? No idea what you mean here > It has a developer team of precisely one Wrong regards, Marc "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht news:MVCKn.26918$pv.18418(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Vulcan???? Stable? I've seen isotopes of uranium more stable. > > It has no future > It has no user base > It has basically no sample base you can count on > It is limited compared to C# and VB > Its integration with VS is limited > It evolves only at a glacial pace > It has a developer team of precisely one > > But it does have a degree of VO compatibility so if that is your only > measure then go for it. > > Geoff > > > > "richard.townsendrose" <richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com> wrote in > message > news:d2b7a423-1838-4a02-adff-0b4667c61fa1(a)m21g2000vbr.googlegroups.com: > >> Marc >> >> once alwyn [a pragmatic engineer] decides to write a book, then this >> says two very important things: >> >> a) vulcan is stable >> b) it has future >> >> you have also confirmed that all the bits that one needs for a major >> app now really do exist and rewally do work >> >> thanks for the update - please invite me to the next one, and alwyn, >> can i please order the book ! I still occasionally refer to the VO >> one ! >> >> richard > |