Extensions for non-XP VMs in Win7
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From: Steve Jain [MVP] on 9 Feb 2010 15:04 On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:24:32 -0800, Dave Warren <dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: >In message <0en1n5letjkenildv9qt018lfj0e5ckqi6(a)4ax.com> "Steve Jain >[MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> was claimed to have wrote: > >>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren >><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: >> >>>In message <9160n5lqkcn9avplfad4elb50k42f2413b(a)4ax.com> Robert Comer >>><bobcomer-removeme-(a)mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote: >>> >>>>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from >>>>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's >>>>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the >>>>same time yet.) >>> >>>This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it >>>automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate. >> >>But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running >>and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I >>forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM. > >That doesn't seem to happen here. I'm not certain if VMWare handles >this somehow, or if it just disables VT whenever WVPC is installed. I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially blue-screening my system right now. ;-) -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ http://smudj.wordpress.com/
From: Robert Comer on 9 Feb 2010 15:23 >I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially >blue-screening my system right now. ;-) I plan on trying it. <g> -- Bob Comer On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:04:20 -0800, "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote: >On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:24:32 -0800, Dave Warren ><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: > >>In message <0en1n5letjkenildv9qt018lfj0e5ckqi6(a)4ax.com> "Steve Jain >>[MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> was claimed to have wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren >>><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: >>> >>>>In message <9160n5lqkcn9avplfad4elb50k42f2413b(a)4ax.com> Robert Comer >>>><bobcomer-removeme-(a)mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote: >>>> >>>>>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from >>>>>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's >>>>>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the >>>>>same time yet.) >>>> >>>>This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it >>>>automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate. >>> >>>But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running >>>and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I >>>forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM. >> >>That doesn't seem to happen here. I'm not certain if VMWare handles >>this somehow, or if it just disables VT whenever WVPC is installed. > >I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially >blue-screening my system right now. ;-)
From: Robert Comer on 9 Feb 2010 19:29 >I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially >blue-screening my system right now. ;-) No crash here, starting VMWare VM first or last. And you can run a 64-bit guest with a WVPC running. Curious, I wonder how they do it. -- Bob Comer On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:04:20 -0800, "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote: >On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:24:32 -0800, Dave Warren ><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: > >>In message <0en1n5letjkenildv9qt018lfj0e5ckqi6(a)4ax.com> "Steve Jain >>[MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> was claimed to have wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren >>><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: >>> >>>>In message <9160n5lqkcn9avplfad4elb50k42f2413b(a)4ax.com> Robert Comer >>>><bobcomer-removeme-(a)mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote: >>>> >>>>>You can run VMWare on a PC with WVPC too, you just can't run VM's from >>>>>both at the same time as WVPC needs VT and VMWare uses it if it's >>>>>there and you can't turn it off. (and two apps can't use it at the >>>>>same time yet.) >>>> >>>>This isn't an issue with recent VMWare Workstation releases, it >>>>automatically detects WVPC and switches off VT when appropriate. >>> >>>But, only if you've started WVPC first. If you've got VMWare running >>>and try to start WVPC, blam! blue-screen...at least the last time I >>>forgot and started up WVPC while running a VMWare VM. >> >>That doesn't seem to happen here. I'm not certain if VMWare handles >>this somehow, or if it just disables VT whenever WVPC is installed. > >I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially >blue-screening my system right now. ;-)
From: Dave Warren on 9 Feb 2010 23:02 In message <tb93n5peh3a9hedtbfsk1k7ktia7v51h9q(a)4ax.com> "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> was claimed to have wrote: >On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren ><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: > >>In message <O6ym4DMqKHA.5840(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> David Wilkinson >><no-reply(a)effisols.com> was claimed to have wrote: >> >>>Dave Warren wrote: >>>> In message <39FAA913-E15F-489F-904F-C09D1C75D503(a)microsoft.com> "senn" >>>> <senn(a)homeplace&.fix> was claimed to have wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the user have a vacant XP license to install in a VPC2007. >>>> >>>> If you don't already have one, start shopping, they can still be found >>>> and you'll need it whether you use Virtual PC 2007, VMWare, or something >>>> else entirely. >>> >>>The licensed XP mode virtual machine runs in VMWare Workstation 7 or VMWare >>>Reader 3, and you can run VPC2007 at the same time. >>> >>>A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion. >> >>I can't see the point of VMWare Workstation and VPC2007 at the same >>time. VMWare does everything VPC and WVPC does and more except for >>Unity mode which is painfully slow on VMWare vs WVPC in "Application >>Virtualization" mode. > >VMWare Workstation is not free, big difference. Not everyone needs a >500MB VM package. True. But *if* you're already using VMWare workstation for any of it's multitude of features that Microsoft doesn't compete with, I can't imagine why you'd also run VPC2007. WVPC brings a few things to the table, application virtualization mode being a prime example (VMWare has similar, called "Unity" but it's painfully slow)
From: David Wilkinson on 10 Feb 2010 05:50
Dave Warren wrote: > True. But *if* you're already using VMWare workstation for any of it's > multitude of features that Microsoft doesn't compete with, I can't > imagine why you'd also run VPC2007. > > WVPC brings a few things to the table, application virtualization mode > being a prime example (VMWare has similar, called "Unity" but it's > painfully slow) Perhaps because I am more familiar with it, I find VPC 2007 easier to use than Workstation. Also I have a bunch of VPC virtual machines that I use to test my software -- I could convert them I guess, but why bother? I agree that Unity is very very slow, and I would have been interested to try the corresponding feature in WVPC, but my current machine does not have hardware virtualization. -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP |