From: Bruce Stephens on
Daniel James <wastebasket(a)> writes:


> All these NAS boxes have ethernet, all that I've looked at have some
> degree of web configuration, I really can't imagine that any would
> require a specific Windows-based app to get them started!

Yeah, you'd have thought so. However, my impression is that they all
do. Not a big deal, since most of us have access to a Windows or Mac
box (or can borrow one), but it's an annoyance, especially since most
of them seem to be Linux-based.

All the ones I looked at had manuals and things downloadable, so it's
possible to check before buying.
From: F8BOE on
Daniel James wrote:

> I've been meaning, for some time, to provide some sort of storage
> server for the motley collection of computers -- some Windows and some
> linux based -- that lurk around here. The primary requirement is that


> Sorry to ask so many questions in one post .... any thoughts or
> comments on any of the above will be gratefully received.
> Cheers,
> Daniel.

From: Bernard Peek on
In message <VA.000014a8.20c3576c(a)>, Daniel James
<wastebasket(a)> writes

>> Have you considered recycling a laptop?
>Yes ... but I don't know of a laptop that can take two 750GB drives ...

External caddies, USB2, done.

Bernard Peek
London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author.

From: Gordon Henderson on
In article <VA.000014a8.20c3576c(a)>,
Daniel James <wastebasket(a)> wrote:
>In article news:<fkyMbbaRxapIFwSK(a)>, Bernard Peek wrote:
>> I acquired a mini-ITX board and put it into an old ATX case. There's a
>> lot of fresh air inside the case but that's no real problem. It's got a
>> whisper-quite 170W PSU and with an old disk makes a usable web-server.
>I've got a VIA EPIA M10000 board in a Morex Venus 6... er ... the one
>before the current 669 model. It was built as a MythTV box but it actually
>gets used as a spare linux desktop and occasional TV - I never found the
>time to set up MySQL and MythTV on it. Nor could I ever work out why a PVR
>application needs an industrial-strength RDBMS ...
>It certainly has the power to run a simple server apps ... but it really
>struggles to rebuild its Gentoo system from source when there's been a
>major upgrade. I think the initial build took about a week, and it can
>take a day or two to update now even with a 3GHz P4 machine helping with
>distcc. I don't think using a mini-ITX system as a distcc /server/ will
>make much impact on compile times on other machines.

I've built lots of stuff out of the VIA boards (including NAS boxes) -
the trick is the do the actual compilation on a separate PC, the migrate
it over...

(But when I wur a lad, my 1st Linux box was a 66MHz AMD chip - ye gods
it was slow compiling stuff compared to todays CPUs!)

>The Venus case is bigger than I'd want for a server/NAS box, and there's a
>good bit of fan noise -- from the PSU especially. If I go down the
>mini-ITX route for the fileserver I'd want to use a fanless CPU in a
>smaller case with one large slow fan ... and an external PSU brick.

I've built a few NASes in a Venus case -

It has enough room inside and a nice big, but quiet fan at the back. I
use Western Digital drives, and while they're not the fastest, they run
very cool. Mobo's I use is usually the VIA CN1000's which have both IDE
sockets and SATA, so I boot them off IDE flash (which then runs from ram),
which then leaves all the SATA drives for storage.


# df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/ram0 124M 91M 34M 73% /
tmpfs 245M 0 245M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/md1 111G 66G 40G 63% /data
/dev/md2 120G 41G 73G 37% /archive

# uptime
07:36:33 up 396 days, 22:13, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid1]
md1 : active raid1 sdb1[1] sda1[0]
117185984 blocks [2/2] [UU]

md2 : active raid1 sdb2[1] sda2[0]
127009792 blocks [2/2] [UU]

>> Have you considered recycling a laptop?
>Yes ... but I don't know of a laptop that can take two 750GB drives ...

If it has a USB port, it'll take a Drobo...

Drobo box which can take up to 4 drives - USB connection, and the "share"
box which sits under it with an Ethernet connection... Painless, but I
don't think the share supports NFS, just sambaystuff...

However the Drobo itself does support ext3 over USB, so use it as a
"disk drive" to your own NAS platform rather than the drobo share - which
might seem like overkill, but it's one advantage is that from initial
turn-on it looks like a 2TB drive regardless of how many (or few) drives
it physically has. So start with 2 x 750 drives and when these fill, just
pop another in, and another and the box will manage the drives and you'll
still see the same, original disk size - no need to resize partitions,
or hope that you can resize the mirror/raid system and extend ext3 ....

Personally, I'd go down the miniITX + drives route myself though, but
the Drobo does seem like the solution for people who don't want to open
the lid...

From: Bruce Stephens on
Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet(a)> writes:


> I've built a few NASes in a Venus case -
> It has enough room inside and a nice big, but quiet fan at the back.

The web page says "2 x 40mm rear mounted cooling fans" which doesn't
sound encouraging. I guess you just don't use those, relying on the
rather larger looking PSU fan?


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