From: John Navas on
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:56:08 -0700, in
<alangbaker-019111.09560803082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:

>In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:31 -0700, in
>> <alangbaker-B8F5CB.09343103082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker
>> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article
>> ><7893511e-6ad1-4bcd-986b-8ac8fe6441a5(a)d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> > MuahMan <muahman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Apple fucked up another product, they are getting sued again. Deal
>> >> with it you Apple apologist.
>> >
>> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the same
>> >heat limitations.
>>
>> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a
>> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The
>> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven,
>> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.
>
>For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you snipped.

I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe
operating ranges. Well-designed electronic devices will operate at much
more than 95 degrees F.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern�s Law of Suspended Judgement]
From: Alan Baker on
In article <u0kg56dbov1j21ks4k4nttfhrnafo7lapd(a)4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:56:08 -0700, in
> <alangbaker-019111.09560803082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:31 -0700, in
> >> <alangbaker-B8F5CB.09343103082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker
> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article
> >> ><7893511e-6ad1-4bcd-986b-8ac8fe6441a5(a)d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > MuahMan <muahman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Apple fucked up another product, they are getting sued again. Deal
> >> >> with it you Apple apologist.
> >> >
> >> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the same
> >> >heat limitations.
> >>
> >> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a
> >> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The
> >> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven,
> >> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.
> >
> >For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you snipped.
>
> I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe
> operating ranges. Well-designed electronic devices will operate at much
> more than 95 degrees F.

Really? Then why don't their specs allow for it?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: nospam on
In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the same
> >heat limitations.
>
> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a
> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The
> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven,
> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.

nevermind portables, how about *desktops*?

there is *plenty* of room inside a desktop computer for one or more
fans along with large heat sinks, yet this acer desktop specifies a
maximum of 95 degrees fahrenheit (35 c) and 80% relative humidity.

that means that in a large part of the united states in the past few
weeks, the computer could not be used at all. it was simply too hot and
too humid.

the fact that there is inadequate cooling in a *desktop* is a sorry
commentary on acer engineering, far more so than anything apple ever
did.

now watch the bashers try to rationalize this one.

<http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/desktop/0000/Acer/AspireT180/AspireT1
80sp2.shtml>

Temperature: Operating: +5oC ~+35oC
Non-operating: -10oC ~ +60oC

Relative Humidity:Operating: 15% - 80% RH Non-condensing
Non-Operating Storage: 10% - 90% RH, Non-condensing at 40� C�
From: nospam on
In article <u0kg56dbov1j21ks4k4nttfhrnafo7lapd(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the same
> >> >heat limitations.
> >>
> >> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a
> >> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The
> >> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven,
> >> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.
> >
> >For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you snipped.
>
> I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe
> operating ranges.

if you want to talk real world issues, then the ipad works just fine
outside the 95 degree f limit too.

> Well-designed electronic devices will operate at much
> more than 95 degrees F.

and the ipad does just that.
From: -hh on
On Aug 3, 1:27 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article <u0kg56dbov1j21ks4k4nttfhrnafo7l...(a)4ax.com>,
>  John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:56:08 -0700, in
> > <alangbaker-019111.09560803082...(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker
> > <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
>
> > >In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bj...(a)4ax.com>,
> > > John Navas <spamfilt...(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:31 -0700, in
> > >> <alangbaker-B8F5CB.09343103082...(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker
> > >> <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >In article
> > >> ><7893511e-6ad1-4bcd-986b-8ac8fe644...(a)d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> > MuahMan <muah...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Apple fucked up another product, they are getting sued again. Deal
> > >> >> with it you Apple apologist.
>
> > >> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the same
> > >> >heat limitations.
>
> > >> They do?  Which ones?  I've never had this kind of thermal issue with a
> > >> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions.  The
> > >> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by Steven,
> > >> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering.
>
> > >For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you snipped.
>
> > I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe
> > operating ranges.  Well-designed electronic devices will operate at much
> > more than 95 degrees F.
>
> Really? Then why don't their specs allow for it?

....including not only Apple, but Dell, Acer, Lenovo, HP ... you know,
tiny little obscure players in the PC marketplace.


-hh