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From: Alan Baker on 3 Aug 2010 16:23 In article <ncug56ln3im23q6b2070608cpcd3ue53ui(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:50:13 -0700, in > <alangbaker-6692C3.12501303082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >In article <q1qg56dplvenajhek6l8q7iq22mc94r557(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:27:23 -0700, in > >> <alangbaker-C3AB25.10272303082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <u0kg56dbov1j21ks4k4nttfhrnafo7lapd(a)4ax.com>, > >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:56:08 -0700, in > >> >> <alangbaker-019111.09560803082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>, > >> >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:31 -0700, in > >> >> >> <alangbaker-B8F5CB.09343103082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article > >> >> >> ><7893511e-6ad1-4bcd-986b-8ac8fe6441a5(a)d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > >> >> >> > MuahMan <muahman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Apple fucked up another product, they are getting sued again. > >> >> >> >> Deal > >> >> >> >> with it you Apple apologist. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the > >> >> >> >same > >> >> >> >heat limitations. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue > >> >> >> with a > >> >> >> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The > >> >> >> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by > >> >> >> Steven, > >> >> >> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering. > >> >> > > >> >> >For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you snipped. > >> >> > >> >> I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe > >> >> operating ranges. Well-designed electronic devices will operate at > >> >> much > >> >> more than 95 degrees F. > >> > > >> >Really? Then why don't their specs allow for it? > >> > >> Do you not understand the difference between guaranteed safe operating > >> range and the design tolerances of the device? Have you ever actually > >> tried it? > > > >I understand them just fine. > > > >Can you show that the iPad is actually *behaving* any differently than > >other similar devices? > > It's not my allegation. I'm only pointing out that other devices do not > have the alleged issue. Don't be so defensive. Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? If not, it comes down to specs. Both the iPad and other similar devices report the same safe operating range. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: nospam on 3 Aug 2010 16:25 In article <alangbaker-AEFBA1.13232503082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >Can you show that the iPad is actually *behaving* any differently than > > >other similar devices? > > > > It's not my allegation. I'm only pointing out that other devices do not > > have the alleged issue. Don't be so defensive. > > Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? he's waffling, as expected. he can't show they're any different than anything else because they aren't. > If not, it comes down to specs. Both the iPad and other similar devices > report the same safe operating range. right.
From: John Navas on 3 Aug 2010 23:14 On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:23:25 -0700, in <alangbaker-AEFBA1.13232503082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <ncug56ln3im23q6b2070608cpcd3ue53ui(a)4ax.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:50:13 -0700, in >> <alangbaker-6692C3.12501303082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >In article <q1qg56dplvenajhek6l8q7iq22mc94r557(a)4ax.com>, >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:27:23 -0700, in >> >> <alangbaker-C3AB25.10272303082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <u0kg56dbov1j21ks4k4nttfhrnafo7lapd(a)4ax.com>, >> >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:56:08 -0700, in >> >> >> <alangbaker-019111.09560803082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker >> >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>, >> >> >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:31 -0700, in >> >> >> >> <alangbaker-B8F5CB.09343103082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker >> >> >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article >> >> >> >> ><7893511e-6ad1-4bcd-986b-8ac8fe6441a5(a)d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, >> >> >> >> > MuahMan <muahman(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Apple fucked up another product, they are getting sued again. >> >> >> >> >> Deal >> >> >> >> >> with it you Apple apologist. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have the >> >> >> >> >same >> >> >> >> >heat limitations. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue >> >> >> >> with a >> >> >> >> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. The >> >> >> >> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by >> >> >> >> Steven, >> >> >> >> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you snipped. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe >> >> >> operating ranges. Well-designed electronic devices will operate at >> >> >> much >> >> >> more than 95 degrees F. >> >> > >> >> >Really? Then why don't their specs allow for it? >> >> >> >> Do you not understand the difference between guaranteed safe operating >> >> range and the design tolerances of the device? Have you ever actually >> >> tried it? >> > >> >I understand them just fine. >> > >> >Can you show that the iPad is actually *behaving* any differently than >> >other similar devices? >> >> It's not my allegation. I'm only pointing out that other devices do not >> have the alleged issue. Don't be so defensive. > >Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? What part of "It's not my allegation" do you not understand? >If not, it comes down to specs. Both the iPad and other similar devices >report the same safe operating range. It actually comes down to how they work in practice. -- John "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
From: Alan Baker on 3 Aug 2010 23:30 In article <tnmh565s80271tfhj52dikv6meumgbta1s(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:23:25 -0700, in > <alangbaker-AEFBA1.13232503082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >In article <ncug56ln3im23q6b2070608cpcd3ue53ui(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:50:13 -0700, in > >> <alangbaker-6692C3.12501303082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <q1qg56dplvenajhek6l8q7iq22mc94r557(a)4ax.com>, > >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:27:23 -0700, in > >> >> <alangbaker-C3AB25.10272303082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <u0kg56dbov1j21ks4k4nttfhrnafo7lapd(a)4ax.com>, > >> >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:56:08 -0700, in > >> >> >> <alangbaker-019111.09560803082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <l6ig569fjhpfb83o2t1jtsbnu1tq2bja45(a)4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:31 -0700, in > >> >> >> >> <alangbaker-B8F5CB.09343103082010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker > >> >> >> >> <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >In article > >> >> >> >> ><7893511e-6ad1-4bcd-986b-8ac8fe6441a5(a)d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.co > >> >> >> >> >m>, > >> >> >> >> > MuahMan <muahman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Apple fucked up another product, they are getting sued again. > >> >> >> >> >> Deal > >> >> >> >> >> with it you Apple apologist. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >...and who ignored that other portable computing products have > >> >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >> >same > >> >> >> >> >heat limitations. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> They do? Which ones? I've never had this kind of thermal issue > >> >> >> >> with a > >> >> >> >> cell phone or an Acer netbook even in pretty harsh conditions. > >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> apologies here, starting with the "technical" nonsense posted by > >> >> >> >> Steven, > >> >> >> >> are a sorry commentary on Apple engineering. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >For a start, the ones already mentioned in the material you > >> >> >> >snipped. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm talking real world issues, not spec sheets with guaranteed safe > >> >> >> operating ranges. Well-designed electronic devices will operate at > >> >> >> much > >> >> >> more than 95 degrees F. > >> >> > > >> >> >Really? Then why don't their specs allow for it? > >> >> > >> >> Do you not understand the difference between guaranteed safe operating > >> >> range and the design tolerances of the device? Have you ever actually > >> >> tried it? > >> > > >> >I understand them just fine. > >> > > >> >Can you show that the iPad is actually *behaving* any differently than > >> >other similar devices? > >> > >> It's not my allegation. I'm only pointing out that other devices do not > >> have the alleged issue. Don't be so defensive. > > > >Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? > > What part of "It's not my allegation" do you not understand? What part of "you're defending one half and hiding behind 'it's not my allegation' for the other half" do *you* not understand. > > >If not, it comes down to specs. Both the iPad and other similar devices > >report the same safe operating range. > > It actually comes down to how they work in practice. Yes. Do you have any actual evidence that iPads perform differently than any other similar device *in practice*. (Hint: a class-action suit is not such evidence). -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: nospam on 4 Aug 2010 00:07
In article <tnmh565s80271tfhj52dikv6meumgbta1s(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> >Can you show that the iPad is actually *behaving* any differently than > >> >other similar devices? > >> > >> It's not my allegation. I'm only pointing out that other devices do not > >> have the alleged issue. Don't be so defensive. > > > >Can you show that iPads have the alleged issue? > > What part of "It's not my allegation" do you not understand? in other words, you can't. case closed. |