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From: John McWilliams on 23 Jun 2005 18:10
Hecate wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:18:34 +0200, nomail(a)please.invalid (Johan W.
> Elzenga) wrote:
>
>
>>Hecate <hecate(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As an aside, I suspect that the reason Apple are switching to Intel is
>>>DRM. All the Pentium D dual core chips contain a DRM module. FWIW, I
>>>think that will drive more people towards an AMD solution as long as
>>>they don't include DRM spy(hard)ware.
>>
>>It's interesting to see how you always suspect alterior motives.
>
>
> That's because I don't trust any major company as a matter of
> principle. That way I'm never disappointed in them, and o0nce in a
> blue moon they surprise me. What people tend to forget is that these
> companies are not run for the benefit of users, They are run for the
> benefit of profit and you, I or anyone else, except the company and
> it's board of directors, will just get steamrollered if we get in the
> way.

Welcome to the 17th-21st Centuries! [YMMV; certainly there are third
world exceptions abounding....]

Steamrollered is a colorful selection, but steamrollers tend to move
slowly and in a straight line, so it's easy to avoid them with only a
modest bit of thought or planning.

That's the way capitalism works and anyone who thinks that any
> company will display even the slightest hint of altruism is not living
> in the real world.
>

That's your conclusion based on your experience, but don't tell us what
the real world is or is not.

--
John McWilliams
From: Johan W. Elzenga on 24 Jun 2005 12:36
Hecate <hecate(a)newsguy.com> wrote:

> >It's interesting to see how you always suspect alterior motives.
>
> That's because I don't trust any major company as a matter of
> principle. That way I'm never disappointed in them, and o0nce in a
> blue moon they surprise me. What people tend to forget is that these
> companies are not run for the benefit of users, They are run for the
> benefit of profit and you, I or anyone else, except the company and
> it's board of directors, will just get steamrollered if we get in the
> way. That's the way capitalism works and anyone who thinks that any
> company will display even the slightest hint of altruism is not living
> in the real world.

There is quite a distance between altruism and alterior motives. Most
companies simply want satisfied customers, because those are the only
ones who come back for more business. And more business = more money =
happy shareholders. You do not get that by steamrolling over your
customers (who then cease to be your customers).


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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/
From: Hecate on 24 Jun 2005 18:30
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:10:03 -0700, John McWilliams
<jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:


>
>Welcome to the 17th-21st Centuries! [YMMV; certainly there are third
>world exceptions abounding....]
>
>Steamrollered is a colorful selection, but steamrollers tend to move
>slowly and in a straight line, so it's easy to avoid them with only a
>modest bit of thought or planning.
>
> That's the way capitalism works and anyone who thinks that any
>> company will display even the slightest hint of altruism is not living
>> in the real world.
>>
>
>That's your conclusion based on your experience, but don't tell us what
>the real world is or is not.

If you think companies operate for your benefit that you're living in
a dream world.

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate(a)newsguy.com
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
From: Hecate on 24 Jun 2005 18:38
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:36:06 +0200, nomail(a)please.invalid (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:


>> That's because I don't trust any major company as a matter of
>> principle. That way I'm never disappointed in them, and o0nce in a
>> blue moon they surprise me. What people tend to forget is that these
>> companies are not run for the benefit of users, They are run for the
>> benefit of profit and you, I or anyone else, except the company and
>> it's board of directors, will just get steamrollered if we get in the
>> way. That's the way capitalism works and anyone who thinks that any
>> company will display even the slightest hint of altruism is not living
>> in the real world.
>
>There is quite a distance between altruism and alterior motives. Most
>companies simply want satisfied customers, because those are the only
>ones who come back for more business. And more business = more money =
>happy shareholders. You do not get that by steamrolling over your
>customers (who then cease to be your customers).

Yes, they want repeat customers. I wouldn't describe what they are
doing as "ulterior" motives however. If you understand capitalism -
make money at all costs regardless of any collateral damage, then
suspecting any company of doing the worst it can get away with comes
naturally. And that's what they will do - if they can get away with it
they will. If the even think they can get away with it, they'll try
and see if the can. Remember, there's a "Sucker Born Every Minute."

The same conditions apply in any field you care to name. The days of
Adam Smith and his fair market are long gone - when your supplier is a
multinational who will base itself wherever the government is most
compliant, consumers have hardly any leverage at all - to the extent
that corporations can, literally, get away with murder (See Bhopal for
example).


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Hecate - The Real One
Hecate(a)newsguy.com
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
From: John McWilliams on 24 Jun 2005 19:44
Hecate wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:10:03 -0700, John McWilliams
> <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>That's your conclusion based on your experience, but don't tell us what
>>the real world is or is not.
>
>
> If you think companies operate for your benefit that you're living in
> a dream world.
>
You carry the art of deduction to new lows. Can't imagine anyone but you
deducing the above from what I said.

--
John McWilliams
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