Pulling Strings With The 70-200 VR2!!
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From: Peter on 5 Aug 2010 09:43 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:csel56hp75viski4sts87ak0komehqj2hb(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:50:02 -0400, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>news:u9ek56p4nr7a0qv7vtvmmbh2vtkg74934b(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:39:29 -0500, Larry Thong >>> <larry_thong(a)shitstring.com> wrote: >>> >>>>I know, I know, this was a job for the good old 200/2, but I was a bit >>>>lazy to carry it today so I went on the cheap with the trusty old 70-200 >>>>VR2. It worked! >>>> >>>><http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Ritaberk/Strings.jpg> >>> >>> Here's a shot of a violinist from earlier this month. The Orlando >>> Symphony Orchestra provided some orchestra members for an event for >>> kids at a local park. The idea was to let the kids try playing >>> various musical instruments. >>> >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/2010-07-17-099/959015269_RtuZN-XL.jpg >>> >>> The image has been faked. There was some really ugly background in >>> the original, so I did some masking and dropped in a cleaner >>> background with a shot taken the same day. >>> >> >> >>You seem to have a great eye for people. You really brought out her >>expression of nervous determination. The adult helping hand takes you >>capture out of the ordinary. >> I will not nitpick your background. > > Here's another one from that day. This one is not Photoshopped. I > don't like too many people in the background, but it was a large event > and it was impossible to shoot without background. > > Love the expression on this future Ringo Starr or Keith Moon. > > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/2010-07-17-098/959015274_vLZHS-XL.jpg Love it. His expression certainly shows his enjoyment of the moment. I would have cropped vertically just above his dad's elbow and horizontally leaving about 1/2 his dad's left leg in the shot. This would provide some primary framing for his face. I would also tone down the background colors and put in a slight Gaussian blur. -- Peter
From: tony cooper on 5 Aug 2010 10:19 On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:43:49 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> >> Love the expression on this future Ringo Starr or Keith Moon. >> >> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/2010-07-17-098/959015274_vLZHS-XL.jpg > > >Love it. His expression certainly shows his enjoyment of the moment. >I would have cropped vertically just above his dad's elbow and horizontally >leaving about 1/2 his dad's left leg in the shot. This would provide some >primary framing for his face. I would also tone down the background colors >and put in a slight Gaussian blur. The "dad" is the symphony orchestra drummer just as the hand in the violinist image is the hand of a symphony orchestra violinist. Some real pros giving kids a chance to play instruments. I could mess around in Channels and tone down the grass, but I didn't do anything to this shot except convert it from RAW. Shots like this either have to be presented as-shot or extensively worked on. The boy has very fair skin and the man has very dark skin. To get the right exposure of both faces can be tricky. What I would do if I wanted this better would be to make two layers as Smart Objects and then lighten-up the man's face and mask on the other layer. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 5 Aug 2010 11:26 On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:43:49 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >Love it. His expression certainly shows his enjoyment of the moment. >I would have cropped vertically just above his dad's elbow and horizontally >leaving about 1/2 his dad's left leg in the shot. This would provide some >primary framing for his face. Interesting take. There are two ways to present this photo: cropped as you suggest to feature the child's expression and activity, or uncropped to show that the child is being tutored by an adult. I chose the latter because I was at the scene and understand what was going on. It was the tutoring by an adult of a child that was what I was capturing. However, if you weren't on the scene and didn't know this, the child's face and apparent enjoyment is the interesting aspect and your crop makes for a more interesting photo. This kinda points out that the photographer's thought of what he is capturing can over-ride his instincts on what makes a good finished photograph. The photographer should really view the image as an outsider to envision the best portrayal. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Peter on 5 Aug 2010 12:17 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:hjll56178au93l0ijrg097vjmonm68vfaa(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:43:49 -0400, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >>Love it. His expression certainly shows his enjoyment of the moment. >>I would have cropped vertically just above his dad's elbow and >>horizontally >>leaving about 1/2 his dad's left leg in the shot. This would provide some >>primary framing for his face. > > Interesting take. There are two ways to present this photo: cropped > as you suggest to feature the child's expression and activity, or > uncropped to show that the child is being tutored by an adult. > > I chose the latter because I was at the scene and understand what was > going on. It was the tutoring by an adult of a child that was what I > was capturing. > > However, if you weren't on the scene and didn't know this, the child's > face and apparent enjoyment is the interesting aspect and your crop > makes for a more interesting photo. > > This kinda points out that the photographer's thought of what he is > capturing can over-ride his instincts on what makes a good finished > photograph. The photographer should really view the image as an > outsider to envision the best portrayal. > Proving once again that various photographers can have different interpretations of a similar image. Yet neither is right and neither is wrong. BTW I hope you are saving one in this series for the "sounds of the season" SI. -- Peter
From: Doug McDonald on 5 Aug 2010 12:32
On 8/5/2010 8:26 AM, tony cooper wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:50:02 -0400, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >> "tony cooper"<tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:u9ek56p4nr7a0qv7vtvmmbh2vtkg74934b(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:39:29 -0500, Larry Thong >>> <larry_thong(a)shitstring.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I know, I know, this was a job for the good old 200/2, but I was a bit >>>> lazy to carry it today so I went on the cheap with the trusty old 70-200 >>>> VR2. It worked! >>>> >>>> <http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Ritaberk/Strings.jpg> >>> >>> Here's a shot of a violinist from earlier this month. The Orlando >>> Symphony Orchestra provided some orchestra members for an event for >>> kids at a local park. The idea was to let the kids try playing >>> various musical instruments. >>> >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/2010-07-17-099/959015269_RtuZN-XL.jpg >>> >>> The image has been faked. There was some really ugly background in >>> the original, so I did some masking and dropped in a cleaner >>> background with a shot taken the same day. >>> >> >> >> You seem to have a great eye for people. You really brought out her >> expression of nervous determination. The adult helping hand takes you >> capture out of the ordinary. >> I will not nitpick your background. > > Here's another one from that day. This one is not Photoshopped. This is a good candidate for Photoshopping. Even as "journalism". You could remove all the people except the main 4 with no quibble. This especially includes the person in the orange shirt which is all that is showing. And of course the teensy ones in the background. Doug |