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From: tony cooper on 6 Aug 2010 13:13 On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:15:51 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> We have some professionals that run (very expensive) trips for >> members. One to Cuba was last month, one is being hawked for a >> two-week trip to Canada, and one somewhere else but I forget where. > >The trip is not professionally run. Just a few guys did some research and >decided to do it and invited any interested member to join them. Some are >flying out and meeting them just for a few days. No one will make any >profit. >Last year, twelve of us decided to go to a baloon festival, for three >nights. Many of us have found the club to be a social center as well as a >camera club. I only know about the professionally run trips by members of my club because they are announced at the meetings. They are run by professional photographers of some standing who offer the trips as an adventure, a chance to go to locations where photographic opportunities are abundant, and to get a professional's advice on techniques. The pros do make a profit on the trips. I'm sure that some members form friendships with other members and go off on excursions together where there is no profit to anyone involved...just friends with like interests doing things together. I'm not close enough to any other members to know of such trips. I've gone on informal day-trips with a few members, but that's it. By the time I joined the club, my social network had already been formed. I'm not really interested in expanding it. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 6 Aug 2010 13:50 On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:53:34 -0500, Superzooms Still Win <ssw(a)noaddress.org> wrote: >On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:15:51 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> >wrote: > >>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>news:hr1n56t142g6o0q3cios274o5l0klr6uig(a)4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:41:42 -0400, "Peter" >>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> >>>> >>>>As I understand it, PSA only has strict rules in the nature and PJ >>>>categories. >>> >>> Those are both areas where I think that there should be restrictions >>> and limitations on editing. On flopping horizontally, though, it >>> would depend on landmark elements in the image. >> >> >>Whhile I completely agree, I've heard PSA judges state a stricter approach. >>My personal solution is simple. If I've flipped the image, I don't enter it >>where PSA rules apply. >> > >What I don't understand is how flipping an image left/right is going to >ever improve an image. If the image has good composition, viewing its >mirror counterpart will make absolutely no difference at all (except in the >case of portraits, then it can ruin it). Is this "flip an image for better >composition" some misconception being spread by snapshooters? Those >desperate to find *anything* at all upon which to blame their base-amateur >level of photography? > >Maybe this could be used as a good test. If your image looks better flipped >one way or the other then maybe your original composition was horribly >wrong to begin with. Yet to me, it would look equally bad both ways. I'm not sure the image *can* look better flipped. You have the same image facing a different way. However, I *personally* like my images so they read from left to right if there is an aspect to them where a choice can be made. I just like it that way. With a profile, it's going to face right with open space to the right. With a figure on the beach(for example), with open space on one side, the figure may be on the right because the open space leads to the figure. The eye stops where the figure ends. Whether or not someone else likes the image that way is immaterial. I have to like my own image. It is not a composition thing. The composition does not change when you flip an image horizontally. The elements remain the same. Composition is the arrangement of elements, and the inclusion of elements, within the image. You establish composition when you take the picture. You can change composition by cropping, but not by flipping. Here's an example of how I determine the need to flop: http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/tractor.jpg If that original image was the top version, I'd flip it horizontally to the bottom version. I want the directional element going left-to-right. Replace the tractor with a standing man directly facing me, and I wouldn't flip it. There's no directional element, so the left-to-right aspect is space>man>tree. (That horizon is correct. The tractor is grading a horse track, and the grassy area does slope as shown. The area around the track is built up higher in the straightaway than it is at the end curves.) -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Superzooms Still Win on 6 Aug 2010 15:13 On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:50:42 -0400, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Here's an example of how I determine the need to flop: > >http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/tractor.jpg > >If that original image was the top version, I'd flip it horizontally >to the bottom version. I want the directional element going >left-to-right. p.s. Your reasoning is bass-ackward. In a left to right reading culture, the viewer's eye would continue on, right off the page and want to go look at something else, seeing something else, as-in, where's the rest of the sentence or story. Whereas if the direction of travel in that image was right to left (original image), the viewer's eye would more likely get trapped into the image, not being able to get past the tree. (Anyone other than tony cooper, please take note.)
From: Peter on 6 Aug 2010 17:02 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:09go56dcnuqgk625csg75ng1r4jrvhs65n(a)4ax.com... > > I only know about the professionally run trips by members of my club > because they are announced at the meetings. They are run by > professional photographers of some standing who offer the trips as an > adventure, a chance to go to locations where photographic > opportunities are abundant, and to get a professional's advice on > techniques. The pros do make a profit on the trips. I'm sure that > some members form friendships with other members and go off on > excursions together where there is no profit to anyone involved...just > friends with like interests doing things together. > > I'm not close enough to any other members to know of such trips. I've > gone on informal day-trips with a few members, but that's it. By the > time I joined the club, my social network had already been formed. > I'm not really interested in expanding it. > We simply found that we enjoy each other's company. Example: My last SI put me in the middle of Long Island Sound. Since I no longer own a boat and no fishing boat went near the pinhole, I decided to take a lighthouse tour. My wife wanted to come, I mentioned that I was doing this and we wound up with 26 people taking the tour. -- Peter
From: Peter on 6 Aug 2010 17:05
"Superzooms Still Win" <ssw(a)noaddress.org> wrote in message news:ofno569itk7a59ugics00h0cintf781gio(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:50:42 -0400, tony cooper > <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >>Here's an example of how I determine the need to flop: >> >>http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/tractor.jpg >> >>If that original image was the top version, I'd flip it horizontally >>to the bottom version. I want the directional element going >>left-to-right. > > p.s. Your reasoning is bass-ackward. In a left to right reading culture, > the viewer's eye would continue on, right off the page and want to go look > at something else, seeing something else, as-in, where's the rest of the > sentence or story. Whereas if the direction of travel in that image was > right to left (original image), the viewer's eye would more likely get > trapped into the image, not being able to get past the tree. > > (Anyone other than tony cooper, please take note.) > We note you don't know what you are taking about and are simply spouting unsupported nonsense. -- Peter |