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From: nntp on 19 May 2010 18:48 What is Happening? This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. Why? As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology and discontinue support for newsgroups. In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown? All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach, starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more active ones throughout the course of the next six months. Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you to participate at http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/threads forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx Who Should I Contact with any Questions? Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to NNTP(a)microsoft.com
From: Bo Berglund on 21 May 2010 18:35 On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:48:05 -0700, nntp(a)microsoft.com wrote: > >Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? >In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup >is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to >invite you to participate at >http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/threads >forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. > >Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to >http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx > >Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >NNTP(a)microsoft.com So now I have downloaded and installed the NNTP bridge, then fired up my Forte Agent newsreader and directed it to the NNTP Bridge server. After some time it had found 2316 forums. So far so good, but almost impossible to navigate due to the proliferation of language centric names. I searched for virtualpc and vpc, both of which turned up a blank result. The only one I got was the w7itprovirt, which turns out to be named: Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt, but it deals with Windows 7 XP Mode and not the virtualpc application for us that do not have Win7 yet... So where should I now go using the NNTP Bridge to see the activity of *this* newsgroup???? -- Bo Berglund (Sweden)
From: Bo Berglund on 22 May 2010 02:40 On Sat, 22 May 2010 00:35:04 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund(a)myotherhome.sec> wrote: >On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:48:05 -0700, nntp(a)microsoft.com wrote: > > >So now I have downloaded and installed the NNTP bridge, then fired up >my Forte Agent newsreader and directed it to the NNTP Bridge server. >After some time it had found 2316 forums. >So far so good, but almost impossible to navigate due to the >proliferation of language centric names. >I searched for virtualpc and vpc, both of which turned up a blank >result. > >The only one I got was the w7itprovirt (indicated in the original post >of this thread), which turns out to be named: >Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt, but it deals with Windows 7 XP Mode and not >the virtualpc application appropriate for us that do not have Win7 yet... > >So where should I now go using the NNTP Bridge to see the activity of >*this* newsgroup???? FURTER PROBLEMS WITH NNTP BRIDGE ================================== After installation and discovering the 2316 forums/groups I decided to test the NNTP bridge on the Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt group. It turned out to contain 8000+ headers, which took a while to download. Then I went ahead and grabbed a bunch of bodies with my Forte Free Agent newsreader and found that (OUCH!): This NNTP bridge thing does *NOT* convert the forum bodies to plaintext as it should! So every message body shows up as an attachment in my reader! Totally unusable!!!! Compare this to the Embarcadero NNTP interface to their developer forums, where the NNTP interface converts between the HTML used on the forum and the text expected by NNTP newsreaders. That approach for sure works fine. This release should have been designated NNTP Bridge Beta 0.1 rather than release 1.1! Not usable at all.... :-( -- Bo Berglund (Sweden)
From: Scarlett on 23 May 2010 09:23 I'm really pissed about this also. Knowing Microsoft, they probably have just completely deleted this NG in their forums. Outlook Express has long been one of the most active of the Microsoft NGs. It DOES NOT EXIST in the Microsoft forums. I guess Microsoft expects everyone using XP with OE and/or VPC 2007 SP1 to trash their machines and get a new machine with Win 7. There are some rather pissed off Microsoft MVP's also regarding Microsoft's cavalier disregard for those of us without Windows 7 machines. I knew nothing about any of this until a couple of days ago when I read about it at dslreports. I came to this NG and to OE NG to find that both have been gutted already. OE would only download 230 out of 4560 messages in the OE group. I switched to Opera Mail and was able to download all messages from January of this year but still...to, without warning, lose almost the entire repository for the Microsoft NGs I read..UGH. I think this one, like Outlook Express one, is dead for ever now. I am not installing that bridge even if it worked and you are not the first to complain about it. Microsoft is doing this in order to track us. Plus, Microsoft forums do not display properly or work correctly on any browser except IE which I am not about to use. On Fri, 21 May 2010 20:40:38 -1000, Bo Berglund <boberglund(a)myotherhome.sec> wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 2010 00:35:04 +0200, Bo Berglund > <boberglund(a)myotherhome.sec> wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:48:05 -0700, nntp(a)microsoft.com wrote: >> >> >> So now I have downloaded and installed the NNTP bridge, then fired up >> my Forte Agent newsreader and directed it to the NNTP Bridge server. >> After some time it had found 2316 forums. >> So far so good, but almost impossible to navigate due to the >> proliferation of language centric names. >> I searched for virtualpc and vpc, both of which turned up a blank >> result. >> >> The only one I got was the w7itprovirt (indicated in the original post >> of this thread), which turns out to be named: >> Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt, but it deals with Windows 7 XP Mode and not >> the virtualpc application appropriate for us that do not have Win7 >> yet... >> >> So where should I now go using the NNTP Bridge to see the activity of >> *this* newsgroup???? > > FURTER PROBLEMS WITH NNTP BRIDGE > ================================== > After installation and discovering the 2316 forums/groups I decided to > test the NNTP bridge on the Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt group. > It turned out to contain 8000+ headers, which took a while to > download. > Then I went ahead and grabbed a bunch of bodies with my Forte Free > Agent newsreader and found that (OUCH!): > > This NNTP bridge thing does *NOT* convert the forum bodies to > plaintext as it should! So every message body shows up as an > attachment in my reader! > Totally unusable!!!! > > Compare this to the Embarcadero NNTP interface to their developer > forums, where the NNTP interface converts between the HTML used on the > forum and the text expected by NNTP newsreaders. That approach for > sure works fine. > > This release should have been designated NNTP Bridge Beta 0.1 rather > than release 1.1! > > Not usable at all.... :-( > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
From: Nomen Nescio on 23 May 2010 11:41 I agree that this is a stupid decision, but we can always use NNTP to access this group from any regular NNTP server, as I've always done. While MS may remove these groups from their NNTP server, there are loads of NNTP servers carrying the groups and they will not disappear from them. In article <op.vc5t42o4l5mb9t(a)mele.hawaii.rr.com> Scarlett <melelina(a)medscape.com> wrote: > > I'm really pissed about this also. Knowing Microsoft, they probably have > just completely deleted this NG in their forums. Outlook Express has long > been one of the most active of the Microsoft NGs. It DOES NOT EXIST in the > Microsoft forums. I guess Microsoft expects everyone using XP with OE > and/or VPC 2007 SP1 to trash their machines and get a new machine with Win > 7. There are some rather pissed off Microsoft MVP's also regarding > Microsoft's cavalier disregard for those of us without Windows 7 machines. > > I knew nothing about any of this until a couple of days ago when I read > about it at dslreports. I came to this NG and to OE NG to find that both > have been gutted already. OE would only download 230 out of 4560 messages > in the OE group. I switched to Opera Mail and was able to download all > messages from January of this year but still...to, without warning, lose > almost the entire repository for the Microsoft NGs I read..UGH. > > I think this one, like Outlook Express one, is dead for ever now. I am > not installing that bridge even if it worked and you are not the first to > complain about it. Microsoft is doing this in order to track us. Plus, > Microsoft forums do not display properly or work correctly on any browser > except IE which I am not about to use. > > > On Fri, 21 May 2010 20:40:38 -1000, Bo Berglund > <boberglund(a)myotherhome.sec> wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 May 2010 00:35:04 +0200, Bo Berglund > > <boberglund(a)myotherhome.sec> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:48:05 -0700, nntp(a)microsoft.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> So now I have downloaded and installed the NNTP bridge, then fired up > >> my Forte Agent newsreader and directed it to the NNTP Bridge server. > >> After some time it had found 2316 forums. > >> So far so good, but almost impossible to navigate due to the > >> proliferation of language centric names. > >> I searched for virtualpc and vpc, both of which turned up a blank > >> result. > >> > >> The only one I got was the w7itprovirt (indicated in the original post > >> of this thread), which turns out to be named: > >> Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt, but it deals with Windows 7 XP Mode and not > >> the virtualpc application appropriate for us that do not have Win7 > >> yet... > >> > >> So where should I now go using the NNTP Bridge to see the activity of > >> *this* newsgroup???? > > > > FURTER PROBLEMS WITH NNTP BRIDGE > > ================================== > > After installation and discovering the 2316 forums/groups I decided to > > test the NNTP bridge on the Technet.en-US.w7itprovirt group. > > It turned out to contain 8000+ headers, which took a while to > > download. > > Then I went ahead and grabbed a bunch of bodies with my Forte Free > > Agent newsreader and found that (OUCH!): > > > > This NNTP bridge thing does *NOT* convert the forum bodies to > > plaintext as it should! So every message body shows up as an > > attachment in my reader! > > Totally unusable!!!! > > > > Compare this to the Embarcadero NNTP interface to their developer > > forums, where the NNTP interface converts between the HTML used on the > > forum and the text expected by NNTP newsreaders. That approach for > > sure works fine. > > > > This release should have been designated NNTP Bridge Beta 0.1 rather > > than release 1.1! > > > > Not usable at all.... :-( > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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