From: Chris H on 2 Dec 2009 13:26
In message <tm3dh55e5s7avmc13n4p00dnrucol6t7ob(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:16:16 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>>>Nothing to do with Europe. It's all North American.
>>>Whoa, here. There is no observed holiday in Europe called
>>>"Thanksgiving". However, there are harvest festivals, or holidays, in
>>There are a whole load of them from September to November depending on
>>>The most observed is the Jewish holiday Sukkot, a major holiday for
>>>Jews. From Wiki:
>>It is the most observed by Jews. I have never heard of it.
>If you are not familiar with Sukkot, or Ramadan,
Familiar with that one... a lot of people calibrator it.
> or Tet, or Cinco de
>Mayo, or Diwali,
Diwail is widely celebrated in the UK as is Ede (both of them)
> or Independence Day,
Which/whose independance day?
> or any major holiday celebrated
>by cultures that you are not part of, then that's you being insular
Sorry a lot of them are celebrated in the UK and many others you did not
mention and I know of many others in Europe I had just not heard of or
seen (or remembered hearing or seeing) Sukkot.
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
From: tony cooper on 2 Dec 2009 14:02
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:23:38 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
>In message <2g3dh5psmqpft7vin3c4eeqne5q5tqa5to(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper
>>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:16:16 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>>>Y'all do the same thing we do, but differently.
>>>No... No national holiday for most of the European ones.
>>Jeez, Chris. I specifically stated that one of the major differences
>>is that we have a designated national holiday coinciding with a
>>harvest festival and Europe does not.
>>No American, to my knowledge, thinks that "Thanksgiving" - as we
>>celebrate it - is an international holiday.
>There are some... (the ones that have the "rest of the world" as a hazy
>vision of swamps, jungles, deserts and mud huts in a space about the
>size of Texas. :-))
Sure, there are some, but you have your village idiots too. You have
people who visualize the US as it is shown on the American television
shows and movies you watch.
I've made several trips to the UK and Europe. There's always someone
who thinks that I either live in a Hollywood-style mansion or a slum.
There's always someone who asks me how many drive-by shootings I've
witnessed or how many times I've been mugged (Zero, for both).
Whether it's a foreign culture or a different religion, there are
people who have ridiculous misconceptions about that which they are
not part of. I don't think that's any more an American characteristic
that it is a characteristic of any country.
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 2 Dec 2009 14:26
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:29:15 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>Bottom line: "Thanks for Giving" (Modern day "Thanksgiving") was NEVER a
>>European invented NOR christian holiday.
>Fair enough.. It was a native Indian festival.
Sometimes I despair of your inability to process information.
Thanksgiving was *never* a native Indian festival. Some (American)
Indian tribes celebrated the harvest. They never called it
Thanksgiving. They never set aside a particular day of the year to
celebrate. They never thought the turkey should be the main course of
Thanksgiving, as we celebrate it today in the US, *evolved* from the
custom of getting together to rejoice in a successful harvest and to
thank whatever God or spirits or conditions that contributed to that
success. Squanto (the native Indian believed to be at that 1621
get-together) or Edward Winslow (the man who wrote in his journal
about that day in 1621) wouldn't recognize the holiday we celebrate
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Walter Banks on 3 Dec 2009 08:57
John McWilliams wrote:
> Is there a noticeable cycle as to when European stores, antepodean
> stores, S. American stores start their X-mas buying (selling) season.
> (We already know what Canada does- just like U.S.)
Actually Canada is more diversified than the US. Quebec does .. well
Quebec is unique. Western Canada has a lot of Ukrainians with a
different schedule. Ontario starts after Thanksgiving just like the US
except that Canada celebrates Thanksgiving a month earlier than the
US so we get the better turkeys :) and have more time to shop
From: John McWilliams on 3 Dec 2009 11:14
Walter Banks wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>> Is there a noticeable cycle as to when European stores, antepodean
>> stores, S. American stores start their X-mas buying (selling) season.
>> (We already know what Canada does- just like U.S.)
> Actually Canada is more diversified than the US. Quebec does .. well
> Quebec is unique. Western Canada has a lot of Ukrainians with a
> different schedule. Ontario starts after Thanksgiving just like the US
> except that Canada celebrates Thanksgiving a month earlier than the
> US so we get the better turkeys :) and have more time to shop
> before Christmas.
> Seasons greetings
Thanks, Walter, and back to you on the greetings. It seems almost
unusual to ask a question and get a great answer.