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From: sobriquet on 30 Oct 2009 20:05 On 30 okt, 20:55, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > On 2009-10-29 14:33:01 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: > > > > > > > On 29 okt, 04:31, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> On 28 okt, 18:39, Walter Banks <wal...(a)bytecraft.com> wrote: > >>>> sobriquet wrote: > >>>>> But I guess the concept of a tax on information is beyond the > >>>>> comprehension skills of a nazi cockroach like you. > > >>>> If you want respect for you ideas then you will need to be > >>>> respectable. > > >>> If people refrain from calling people thieves in case they infringe > >>> copyrights, > > >> If you don't want to be called a thief then don't steal, crook. > > > If you don't want to be called a nazi cockroach, don't accuse people > > of theft when they copy bitstrings. > > >>> Calling people thieves when they share information is demonization. > > >> YOU ARE STEALING! > > > Nonsense. You can't steal if you don't take something away. > > Steal this bitstring 1111010101011010000010101011100. > > Go ahead. Make my day, you nazi cockroach. > > Godwin having been trampled into the ...bitstream here, consider there > are others who are not happy about your philosophy. > > You gave Pirate Bay as a source of "bitstrings" to steal, however you > should keep pace with the news. > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10221666-93.htmlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/jul/31/pirate-bay-ordered-ou...http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/10/global-gaming-pirate...http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-taken-offline-by-swedish-autho...http://www.macworld.com/article/143592/2009/10/piratebay_fine.html > > It > > seems there are some in Sweden and the Netherlands who do not agree with you. > > -- > Regards, > > Savageduck Sure. They try to take the piratebay offline. So far they have been unsuccessful and the piratebay is just one of an unlimited number of alternate sources for bitstrings. Just because countries are opposed to a website (e.g. youtube being blocked in China or Iran), that doesn't imply that such a site is immoral. It's just deemed unsuitable by the government, potentially under influence of moral pressure groups or lobby groups (like Brein, the organization that tries to stamp out copyright infringement by legally harassing people who infringe copyrights too flagrantly). It's a very common pattern that websites get harassed so much that they have to move to another country. E.g. demonoid is a famous private bittorrent site that was initially located in holland, then it was harassed and they moved to canada and when they were harassed there as well, they went to the Ukraine and they are still there as far as I know (though they are temporarily offline). But all this doesn't detract from the fact that it's legal to download most things (e.g. music, movies, books, etc..) for personal use, even from an illegal source.
From: Savageduck on 30 Oct 2009 20:07 On 2009-10-30 17:05:14 -0700, sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> said: > On 30 okt, 20:55, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >> On 2009-10-29 14:33:01 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 29 okt, 04:31, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >>>> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 28 okt, 18:39, Walter Banks <wal...(a)bytecraft.com> wrote: >>>>>> sobriquet wrote: >>>>>>> But I guess the concept of a tax on information is beyond the >>>>>>> comprehension skills of a nazi cockroach like you. >> >>>>>> If you want respect for you ideas then you will need to be >>>>>> respectable. >> >>>>> If people refrain from calling people thieves in case they infringe >>>>> copyrights, >> >>>> If you don't want to be called a thief then don't steal, crook. >> >>> If you don't want to be called a nazi cockroach, don't accuse people >>> of theft when they copy bitstrings. >> >>>>> Calling people thieves when they share information is demonization. >> >>>> YOU ARE STEALING! >> >>> Nonsense. You can't steal if you don't take something away. >>> Steal this bitstring 1111010101011010000010101011100. >>> Go ahead. Make my day, you nazi cockroach. >> >> Godwin having been trampled into the ...bitstream here, consider there >> are others who are not happy about your philosophy. >> >> You gave Pirate Bay as a source of "bitstrings" to steal, however you >> should keep pace with the news. >> >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10221666-93.htmlhttp://www.guardian.co.u > k/media/pda/2009/jul/31/pirate-bay-ordered-ou...http://www.guardian.co.uk/t > echnology/2009/sep/10/global-gaming-pirate...http://torrentfreak.com/the-pi > rate-bay-taken-offline-by-swedish-autho...http://www.macworld.com/article/1 > 43592/2009/10/piratebay_fine.html >> >> It >> >> seems there are some in Sweden and the Netherlands who do not agree with > you. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Savageduck > > Sure. They try to take the piratebay offline. So far they have been > unsuccessful and the piratebay is just one of an unlimited number of > alternate sources for bitstrings. > Just because countries are opposed to a website (e.g. youtube being > blocked > in China or Iran), that doesn't imply that such a site is immoral. > It's just deemed unsuitable by the government, potentially under > influence of moral pressure groups or lobby groups (like Brein, the > organization that tries to stamp out copyright infringement by legally > harassing people who infringe copyrights too flagrantly). > > It's a very common pattern that websites get harassed so much that > they have to move to another country. E.g. demonoid is a famous > private bittorrent site that was initially located in holland, then it > was harassed and they moved to canada and when they were harassed > there as well, they went to the Ukraine > and they are still there as far as I know (though they are temporarily > offline). > > But all this doesn't detract from the fact that it's legal to download > most things (e.g. music, movies, books, etc..) for personal use, even > from an illegal source. Actually it is not legal to do that, hence the law suits. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: NotMe on 30 Oct 2009 20:08 � 2 0 0 8 a l l r i g h t s r e s e r v e d ; n o p o r t i o n o f t h i s p o s t m a y b e u s e d a n y w h e r e e l s e o r a r c h i v e d w i t h o u t w r i t t e n p e r m i s s i o n X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18DFEEF8LGIMCrRDtQUOAWTFmxeXYNO1y+S3ozbxlENsw== X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091030-0, 10/30/2009), Outbound message Cancel-Lock: sha1:O1h1OlFCcVtNj+17d131KGG7oZQ= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: news.netfront.net alt.www.webmaster:5175 rec.photo.digital:36555 "Mason Barge" <snip> : >: >>>> A good reason to avoid Getty like the plague. : >: >>> : >: >>>A good reason not to steal images. : >: >> : >: >>When a company uses that as an excuse to extort ridiculous fines from : >: >>people to employ lawyers then it's a good reason not to do business : >: >>with them. : >: > : >: >The fines only seem ridiculous to the thief. : >: : >: Demanding 10 times the usual fee for a low-res version of the licensable : >: photo isn't ridiculous? : > : >Paying $1 to $3 per hour parking fee in a major city is not unreasonable : >provided you pay the fee in advance. Park without paying or with the : >expatiation of scuffing and you get hit with a much higher free (some call : >it a boot fee) that can and often does run upward of $150. : > : >The principle is simple and legal, pay me now a fair and agreed upon fee or : >pay me later a fee determined by the court. Your choice, pick one. : > : : The principle of law is actual damages. This wasn't a fine. There might be a cause for punitive damages -- the : information is insufficient to tell, but I'm betting they wouldn't apply here. : : In the US at least, we have a pleading called an "offer of judgment". The defendant can offer to pay damages of a : certain amount. If the plaintiff insists on trial and does not get more than the offer, he gets to pay all the : attorneys' fees that accrue after the offer is made. It's just made to prevent this kind of abuse. : I think you're confusing tort law with the more specialized copyright law. As I've said we're very careful with our copyrights to the extent that we file copyright registration on all work including work in progress and concepts. The few times we've needed to file with the court we've won on summery and for what the court termed statuary damages plus cost regardless of any offer to settle prior to court action. I might note that what you or I would think of as a value locally or even regionally the court can award damages based on a global determination of value. Perhaps I should mention those that settled had legal representation who practices IPR as a specialty those that went to court had your typical wills and probate variety legal representation. Of the little I've read of the filings by Getty by the time the case got to court Getty itself has made what most, including the court, considered a fair, for the time, settlement offer. Like I said, pay me now or pay me later, your choice.
From: sobriquet on 30 Oct 2009 20:45 On 31 okt, 01:07, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > On 2009-10-30 17:05:14 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: > > > > > > > On 30 okt, 20:55, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > >> On 2009-10-29 14:33:01 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: > > >>> On 29 okt, 04:31, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >>>> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>> On 28 okt, 18:39, Walter Banks <wal...(a)bytecraft.com> wrote: > >>>>>> sobriquet wrote: > >>>>>>> But I guess the concept of a tax on information is beyond the > >>>>>>> comprehension skills of a nazi cockroach like you. > > >>>>>> If you want respect for you ideas then you will need to be > >>>>>> respectable. > > >>>>> If people refrain from calling people thieves in case they infringe > >>>>> copyrights, > > >>>> If you don't want to be called a thief then don't steal, crook. > > >>> If you don't want to be called a nazi cockroach, don't accuse people > >>> of theft when they copy bitstrings. > > >>>>> Calling people thieves when they share information is demonization. > > >>>> YOU ARE STEALING! > > >>> Nonsense. You can't steal if you don't take something away. > >>> Steal this bitstring 1111010101011010000010101011100. > >>> Go ahead. Make my day, you nazi cockroach. > > >> Godwin having been trampled into the ...bitstream here, consider there > >> are others who are not happy about your philosophy. > > >> You gave Pirate Bay as a source of "bitstrings" to steal, however you > >> should keep pace with the news. > > >>http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10221666-93.htmlhttp://www.guardian.... > > k/media/pda/2009/jul/31/pirate-bay-ordered-ou...http://www.guardian.co.uk/t > > echnology/2009/sep/10/global-gaming-pirate...http://torrentfreak.com/the-pi > > rate-bay-taken-offline-by-swedish-autho...http://www.macworld.com/article/1 > > 43592/2009/10/piratebay_fine.html > > >> It > > >> seems there are some in Sweden and the Netherlands who do not agree with > > you. > > >> -- > >> Regards, > > >> Savageduck > > > Sure. They try to take the piratebay offline. So far they have been > > unsuccessful and the piratebay is just one of an unlimited number of > > alternate sources for bitstrings. > > Just because countries are opposed to a website (e.g. youtube being > > blocked > > in China or Iran), that doesn't imply that such a site is immoral. > > It's just deemed unsuitable by the government, potentially under > > influence of moral pressure groups or lobby groups (like Brein, the > > organization that tries to stamp out copyright infringement by legally > > harassing people who infringe copyrights too flagrantly). > > > It's a very common pattern that websites get harassed so much that > > they have to move to another country. E.g. demonoid is a famous > > private bittorrent site that was initially located in holland, then it > > was harassed and they moved to canada and when they were harassed > > there as well, they went to the Ukraine > > and they are still there as far as I know (though they are temporarily > > offline). > > > But all this doesn't detract from the fact that it's legal to download > > most things (e.g. music, movies, books, etc..) for personal use, even > > from an illegal source. > > Actually it is not legal to do that, hence the law suits. That concerns the supply side. There have been no law suits against individual downloaders for downloading from an illegal source. > > -- > Regards, > > Savageduck- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
From: Savageduck on 30 Oct 2009 21:35
On 2009-10-30 17:45:39 -0700, sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> said: > On 31 okt, 01:07, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >> On 2009-10-30 17:05:14 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 30 okt, 20:55, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >>>> On 2009-10-29 14:33:01 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: >> >>>>> On 29 okt, 04:31, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >>>>>> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 28 okt, 18:39, Walter Banks <wal...(a)bytecraft.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> sobriquet wrote: >>>>>>>>> But I guess the concept of a tax on information is beyond the >>>>>>>>> comprehension skills of a nazi cockroach like you. >> >>>>>>>> If you want respect for you ideas then you will need to be >>>>>>>> respectable. >> >>>>>>> If people refrain from calling people thieves in case they infringe >>>>>>> copyrights, >> >>>>>> If you don't want to be called a thief then don't steal, crook. >> >>>>> If you don't want to be called a nazi cockroach, don't accuse people >>>>> of theft when they copy bitstrings. >> >>>>>>> Calling people thieves when they share information is demonization. >> >>>>>> YOU ARE STEALING! >> >>>>> Nonsense. You can't steal if you don't take something away. >>>>> Steal this bitstring 1111010101011010000010101011100. >>>>> Go ahead. Make my day, you nazi cockroach. >> >>>> Godwin having been trampled into the ...bitstream here, consider there >>>> are others who are not happy about your philosophy. >> >>>> You gave Pirate Bay as a source of "bitstrings" to steal, however you >>>> should keep pace with the news. >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10221666-93.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/jul/31/pirate-bay-ordered-out-netherlands http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/10/global-gaming-pirate-bay http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-taken-offline-by-swedish-authorities-090824/ http://www.macworld.com/article/143592/2009/10/piratebay_fine.html it >>>> seems there are some in Sweden and the Netherlands who do not agree with you. >> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >> >>>> Savageduck >> >>> Sure. They try to take the piratebay offline. So far they have been >>> unsuccessful and the piratebay is just one of an unlimited number of >>> alternate sources for bitstrings. >>> Just because countries are opposed to a website (e.g. youtube being >>> blocked >>> in China or Iran), that doesn't imply that such a site is immoral. >>> It's just deemed unsuitable by the government, potentially under >>> influence of moral pressure groups or lobby groups (like Brein, the >>> organization that tries to stamp out copyright infringement by legally >>> harassing people who infringe copyrights too flagrantly). >> >>> It's a very common pattern that websites get harassed so much that >>> they have to move to another country. E.g. demonoid is a famous >>> private bittorrent site that was initially located in holland, then it >>> was harassed and they moved to canada and when they were harassed >>> there as well, they went to the Ukraine >>> and they are still there as far as I know (though they are temporarily >>> offline). >> >>> But all this doesn't detract from the fact that it's legal to download >>> most things (e.g. music, movies, books, etc..) for personal use, even >>> from an illegal source. >> >> Actually it is not legal to do that, hence the law suits. > > That concerns the supply side. There have been no law suits against > individual downloaders for downloading from an illegal source. Maybe not in European Courts yet, but it has happened in the US, and it seems it will happen in Europe if the trend continues. There are European Musicians, artists, photographers and software developers who are trying to make a living, and their Courts are listening to them. Certainly downloading is legal. What is illegal is not paying for digital music, image, artwork, or software the developer or creator has placed a value on. That is theft as you are depriving the creator/developer of the value he/she has placed on the unapproved download. Just because you have a method of stealing does not make it morally right. Your are still a thief. -- Regards, Savageduck |