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From: Anna on 9 Mar 2010 22:33 > "Anna" <myname(a)myisp.net> wrote in message > news:ulJYN89vKHA.4552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> rc: >> 1. First of all we'll start with the premise that your current system >> involving the 20 GB HDD boots without incident and functions properly in >> all respects, i.e., as far as you can determine there are *no* problems >> with the system. That's right, isn't it? Because if it isn't, don't go >> any further. If there are any issues and/or problems that exist they must >> be overcome before you can undertake what you have termed a "migration" >> of data from the old HDD to a new one. >> >> 2. Based on the various posts in this thread I assume you've attempted to >> use the Acronis True Image program to undertake the disk-cloning >> operation; possibly their trial version. Is that correct? Or have you >> been using the Seagate DiscWizard program which, as Paul pointed out, is >> a derivative of the ATI program (basically an earlier version of the ATI >> program)? The reason I mention the latter program is that our experience >> with the Seagate version (although we haven't used it for some time now) >> was quite negative in that we found the program very erratic in properly >> carrying out its disk-cloning function. >> >> 3. You mentioned a problem formatting the new 80 GB HDD. Ordinarily it is >> unnecessary to format the disk if you're using a disk-cloning program to >> clone the contents of the "source" HDD (in your case the 20 GB HDD) to >> the "destination" disk (the 80 GB HDD). There's no harm in doing so but >> it's unnecessary. >> >> Your "Additional note" indicates that "the last time" you were unable to >> format the new HDD. Yet you previously indicated that you did format that >> disk apparently successfully. Was the unsuccessful formatting operation >> undertaken following the unsuccessful disk-cloning operation? Is that why >> you attempted to again format that disk? >> >> 4. Have you repeated the disk-cloning operation with the Acronis program >> a number of times? Always with the same results in that the cloning >> operation seems to proceed normally (no error messages from Acronis) but >> the system will not boot with the new HDD? >> >> 5. IMMEDIATELY following the disk-cloning operation have you disconnected >> the old 20 GB HDD so that the *only* HDD (or any other storage device) >> connected in the system is the 80 GB HDD? And you've connected the drive >> as Primary Master in your system? And you've checked the BIOS as you boot >> to determine that the boot priority order setting indicates a first boot >> to that 80 GB HDD? >> Anna "ybS2okj" <ybS2okj(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:udJbdI$vKHA.4552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > It's amazing. Not a single word about Casper here! What happened to your > favorite Casper Anna? Have you dropped it and moved on to something new? rc I'm glad "yb..." reminded me about the Casper disk-cloning program. Actually I *was* going to recommend that program to you but since you indicated you were using the Acronis True Image program to clone the contents of your old HDD to your new HDD I thought it best to forgo that recommendation. But since "yb..." has raised the subject... We're strong proponents of the Casper disk-cloning program, particularly the latest version 6 of that program. In our view it's a superb disk-cloning program superior to the Acronis program and every other disk-cloning program we've used over the years. The Casper program is extremely simple to use even for an inexperienced user, reasonably quick in operation, and quite effective. There's virtually no "learning curve" in undertaking the disk cloning process as one navigates through the few easy-to-understand screens with a final mouse-click on the button on the screen which will trigger the disk-cloning process. After undertaking one or two disk-cloning operations it should take the user no more than 15 - 20 seconds or so to get to that point. But the truly significant advantage of the Casper 6.0 disk cloning program compared with other disk cloning programs that we're familiar with, e.g., Acronis True Image, is its ability to create *incremental* disk clones following the creation of the original (first) disk clone. Employing what Casper calls its "SmartClone" technology the program can create subsequent disk clones of the source HDD usually at a fraction of the time it takes to create a "full" disk clone. This results in a decided incentive for the user to undertake frequent complete backups of his or her system knowing that they can create "incremental" disk clones in a relatively short period of time. Understand that this "incremental disk clone" is a *complete* clone (copy) of the "source" HDD, not merely an "incremental file" or "archive". Thus the PC user is encouraged to maintain reasonably up-to-date *complete* backups of his/her system on a frequent basis. So if you use the program to back up your system every few days or on a weekly basis (or even daily) it will probably take not much more than 4 or 5 minutes to complete the disk-cloning operation. Obviously the amount of time it will take will depend upon the amount of data being cloned and the time that has elapsed between disk-cloning operations. (I realize that you've expressed an interest *only* in cloning the contents of your "old" HDD to the "new" HDD. Admittedly if you had no interest in establishing & maintaining a comprehensive backup system and this disk-cloning operation you have in mind would be a "one-shot" deal in that you would rarely use the program on a *routine* basis, then there would be no real incentive for you to purchase the Casper program. But please give some thought to employing a disk-cloning program on a routine & frequent basis so that you could easily maintain an up-to-date *comprehensive* backup of your entire system. Using the Casper 6 program would allow you to do so easily & relatively quickly. Again, bear in mind that the recipient of the clone - the "destination" HDD (internal or external) - would contain the *complete* contents of one's internal HDD (presumably the boot drive). Since that destination drive would be a precise copy of the source HDD, its contents would be immediately accessible to the user and potentially bootable. Naturally its contents could be cloned back to a internal HDD should a restoration of the system be necessary. Again, what better backup system can one have? And again - because the Casper disk-cloning operation takes a relatively short period of time to complete its disk-cloning operations there's a strong incentive for the user to more frequently keep their backups up-to-date than they might otherwise do. Following the disk-cloning operation it's generally advisable for the user to boot to the newly-cloned HDD in order to ensure that the clone "took", i.e., the clone is perfectly bootable & functional in all respects. Another significant advantage of the Casper 6 program is that it now provides boot capability to a cloned USB-connected external HDD - a capability that eluded us in the past. On the other hand should you use another internally-connected HDD as the "destination" drive you would (temporarily) set the BIOS boot priority order to first-boot to the latter drive. The Casper 6 program is also capable of scheduling the disk-cloning operation on a daily, weekly, or other time period selected by the user so that should the user prefer he or she could arrange for automatic backups at pre-determined times. A trial version of the program is available at http://www.fssdev.com, so you may want to give it a try and see how you like it. The trial version is slightly crippled in that while that program will clone the contents of your old HDD to the new one, the partition on the "destination" HDD, i.e., the recipient of the clone will be created only large enough to contain the total contents of the "source" HDD. For example, in your case let's say you have 17 GB of data on your 20 GB HDD that you're cloning to your new 80 GB HDD. The partition on the destination 80 GB HDD created by the program will be 17 GB. The remaining disk-space will be "unallocated" - disk-space that you can later partition/format should you choose. Naturally this limitation is not present on the licensed version of the program. You'll be able to easily manipulate partitions on the destination drive in any manner you choose. Anna
From: rc on 10 Mar 2010 17:45 Anna, In response to your intitial post...you are correct on all accounts. I should point out that my expression of the HDD being originally formatted by myself is incorrect. I meant that the initial cloning (which I assumed would include formatting) was seemingly ok. Only after the new 80GB HDD would not boot did I run chkdsk and attempted to format the HDD in order to wipe it clean and try again. "Anna" <myname(a)myisp.net> wrote in message news:ulJYN89vKHA.4552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "rc" <rc(a)home> has written... >> I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a >> larger one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is it >> necessary to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the SP >> packages. Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs >> involved. Thanks. > >> Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP screen >> begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far as I could >> tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion >> messages/results given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the >> migration would include making the disk bootable??? >> Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran ckdsk >> and no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >> Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a >> compatibility problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, >> WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi >> (HDS728080PLAT20). >> Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I >> received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete >> format". thanks again > > > rc: > 1. First of all we'll start with the premise that your current system > involving the 20 GB HDD boots without incident and functions properly in > all respects, i.e., as far as you can determine there are *no* problems > with the system. That's right, isn't it? Because if it isn't, don't go any > further. If there are any issues and/or problems that exist they must be > overcome before you can undertake what you have termed a "migration" of > data from the old HDD to a new one. > > 2. Based on the various posts in this thread I assume you've attempted to > use the Acronis True Image program to undertake the disk-cloning > operation; possibly their trial version. Is that correct? Or have you been > using the Seagate DiscWizard program which, as Paul pointed out, is a > derivative of the ATI program (basically an earlier version of the ATI > program)? The reason I mention the latter program is that our experience > with the Seagate version (although we haven't used it for some time now) > was quite negative in that we found the program very erratic in properly > carrying out its disk-cloning function. > > 3. You mentioned a problem formatting the new 80 GB HDD. Ordinarily it is > unnecessary to format the disk if you're using a disk-cloning program to > clone the contents of the "source" HDD (in your case the 20 GB HDD) to the > "destination" disk (the 80 GB HDD). There's no harm in doing so but it's > unnecessary. > > Your "Additional note" indicates that "the last time" you were unable to > format the new HDD. Yet you previously indicated that you did format that > disk apparently successfully. Was the unsuccessful formatting operation > undertaken following the unsuccessful disk-cloning operation? Is that why > you attempted to again format that disk? > > 4. Have you repeated the disk-cloning operation with the Acronis program a > number of times? Always with the same results in that the cloning > operation seems to proceed normally (no error messages from Acronis) but > the system will not boot with the new HDD? > > 5. IMMEDIATELY following the disk-cloning operation have you disconnected > the old 20 GB HDD so that the *only* HDD (or any other storage device) > connected in the system is the 80 GB HDD? And you've connected the drive > as Primary Master in your system? And you've checked the BIOS as you boot > to determine that the boot priority order setting indicates a first boot > to that 80 GB HDD? > Anna > > which obviously indicates something is amiss. Did you attempt the > formatting using XP's Disk Management utility? Did you connect the disk as > an internal (secondary) HDD in your system to do so? Or did you install it > in an external enclosure using USB connectivity? > > Do you have any clue as to why the formatting process was unsuccessful? > Did you check out the HDD > >
From: Anna on 10 Mar 2010 19:09 >> "rc" <rc(a)home> has written... >>> I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a >>> larger one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is >>> it necessary to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the >>> SP packages. Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs >>> involved. Thanks. >> >>> Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP screen >>> begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far as I could >>> tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion >>> messages/results given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the >>> migration would include making the disk bootable??? >>> Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran ckdsk >>> and no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >>> Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a >>> compatibility problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, >>> WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi >>> (HDS728080PLAT20). >>> Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I >>> received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete >>> format". thanks again > "Anna" <myname(a)myisp.net> wrote in message > news:ulJYN89vKHA.4552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> rc: >> 1. First of all we'll start with the premise that your current system >> involving the 20 GB HDD boots without incident and functions properly in >> all respects, i.e., as far as you can determine there are *no* problems >> with the system. That's right, isn't it? Because if it isn't, don't go >> any further. If there are any issues and/or problems that exist they must >> be overcome before you can undertake what you have termed a "migration" >> of data from the old HDD to a new one. >> >> 2. Based on the various posts in this thread I assume you've attempted to >> use the Acronis True Image program to undertake the disk-cloning >> operation; possibly their trial version. Is that correct? Or have you >> been using the Seagate DiscWizard program which, as Paul pointed out, is >> a derivative of the ATI program (basically an earlier version of the ATI >> program)? The reason I mention the latter program is that our experience >> with the Seagate version (although we haven't used it for some time now) >> was quite negative in that we found the program very erratic in properly >> carrying out its disk-cloning function. >> >> 3. You mentioned a problem formatting the new 80 GB HDD. Ordinarily it is >> unnecessary to format the disk if you're using a disk-cloning program to >> clone the contents of the "source" HDD (in your case the 20 GB HDD) to >> the "destination" disk (the 80 GB HDD). There's no harm in doing so but >> it's unnecessary. >> >> Your "Additional note" indicates that "the last time" you were unable to >> format the new HDD. Yet you previously indicated that you did format that >> disk apparently successfully. Was the unsuccessful formatting operation >> undertaken following the unsuccessful disk-cloning operation? Is that why >> you attempted to again format that disk? >> >> 4. Have you repeated the disk-cloning operation with the Acronis program >> a number of times? Always with the same results in that the cloning >> operation seems to proceed normally (no error messages from Acronis) but >> the system will not boot with the new HDD? >> >> 5. IMMEDIATELY following the disk-cloning operation have you disconnected >> the old 20 GB HDD so that the *only* HDD (or any other storage device) >> connected in the system is the 80 GB HDD? And you've connected the drive >> as Primary Master in your system? And you've checked the BIOS as you boot >> to determine that the boot priority order setting indicates a first boot >> to that 80 GB HDD? >> Anna "rc" <rc(a)home> wrote in message news:eWvTzNKwKHA.1692(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Anna, > > In response to your intitial post...you are correct on all accounts. I > should point out that my expression of the HDD being originally formatted > by myself is incorrect. I meant that the initial cloning (which I assumed > would include formatting) was seemingly ok. Only after the new 80GB HDD > would not boot did I run chkdsk and attempted to format the HDD in order > to wipe it clean and try again. rc: So where are you now? The problem remains? And you're indicating that you repeated the disk-cloning operation with your Acronis program but always with the same results? If so, have you tried using the Casper disk-cloning program (trial version) that I mentioned in my last post? Anna
From: rc on 13 Mar 2010 13:13 Anna, No I haven't and only because the trial version indicated that it would not support volume resizing. The additonal space is my original reason for the clone. I may just opt for the full version. I'm still a little perplexed about the formatting. Sorry for the delay as I was away for a few days. "Anna" <myname(a)myisp.net> wrote in message news:eXFMd8KwKHA.5244(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>> "rc" <rc(a)home> has written... >>>> I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a >>>> larger one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is >>>> it necessary to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the >>>> SP packages. Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs >>>> involved. Thanks. >>> >>>> Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP >>>> screen begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far as >>>> I could tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion >>>> messages/results given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the >>>> migration would include making the disk bootable??? >>>> Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran ckdsk >>>> and no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>> >>>> Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a >>>> compatibility problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, >>>> WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi >>>> (HDS728080PLAT20). >>>> Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I >>>> received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete >>>> format". thanks again > > >> "Anna" <myname(a)myisp.net> wrote in message >> news:ulJYN89vKHA.4552(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> rc: >>> 1. First of all we'll start with the premise that your current system >>> involving the 20 GB HDD boots without incident and functions properly in >>> all respects, i.e., as far as you can determine there are *no* problems >>> with the system. That's right, isn't it? Because if it isn't, don't go >>> any further. If there are any issues and/or problems that exist they >>> must be overcome before you can undertake what you have termed a >>> "migration" of data from the old HDD to a new one. >>> >>> 2. Based on the various posts in this thread I assume you've attempted >>> to use the Acronis True Image program to undertake the disk-cloning >>> operation; possibly their trial version. Is that correct? Or have you >>> been using the Seagate DiscWizard program which, as Paul pointed out, is >>> a derivative of the ATI program (basically an earlier version of the ATI >>> program)? The reason I mention the latter program is that our experience >>> with the Seagate version (although we haven't used it for some time now) >>> was quite negative in that we found the program very erratic in properly >>> carrying out its disk-cloning function. >>> >>> 3. You mentioned a problem formatting the new 80 GB HDD. Ordinarily it >>> is unnecessary to format the disk if you're using a disk-cloning program >>> to clone the contents of the "source" HDD (in your case the 20 GB HDD) >>> to the "destination" disk (the 80 GB HDD). There's no harm in doing so >>> but it's unnecessary. >>> >>> Your "Additional note" indicates that "the last time" you were unable to >>> format the new HDD. Yet you previously indicated that you did format >>> that disk apparently successfully. Was the unsuccessful formatting >>> operation undertaken following the unsuccessful disk-cloning operation? >>> Is that why you attempted to again format that disk? >>> >>> 4. Have you repeated the disk-cloning operation with the Acronis program >>> a number of times? Always with the same results in that the cloning >>> operation seems to proceed normally (no error messages from Acronis) but >>> the system will not boot with the new HDD? >>> >>> 5. IMMEDIATELY following the disk-cloning operation have you >>> disconnected the old 20 GB HDD so that the *only* HDD (or any other >>> storage device) connected in the system is the 80 GB HDD? And you've >>> connected the drive as Primary Master in your system? And you've checked >>> the BIOS as you boot to determine that the boot priority order setting >>> indicates a first boot to that 80 GB HDD? >>> Anna > > > "rc" <rc(a)home> wrote in message > news:eWvTzNKwKHA.1692(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Anna, >> >> In response to your intitial post...you are correct on all accounts. I >> should point out that my expression of the HDD being originally formatted >> by myself is incorrect. I meant that the initial cloning (which I >> assumed would include formatting) was seemingly ok. Only after the new >> 80GB HDD would not boot did I run chkdsk and attempted to format the HDD >> in order to wipe it clean and try again. > > > rc: > So where are you now? > The problem remains? > And you're indicating that you repeated the disk-cloning operation with > your Acronis program but always with the same results? > If so, have you tried using the Casper disk-cloning program (trial > version) that I mentioned in my last post? > Anna >
From: Anna on 13 Mar 2010 14:49 > news:eXFMd8KwKHA.5244(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>>> "rc" <rc(a)home> has written... >>>>> I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a >>>>> larger one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is >>>>> it necessary to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all >>>>> the SP packages. Also would hate to have to reinstall the many >>>>> programs involved. Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP >>>>> screen begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far >>>>> as I could tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion >>>>> messages/results given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the >>>>> migration would include making the disk bootable??? >>>>> Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran >>>>> ckdsk and no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be >>>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>>> Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a >>>>> compatibility problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, >>>>> WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi >>>>> (HDS728080PLAT20). >>>>> Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive >>>>> I received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to >>>>> complete format". thanks again >> "rc" <rc(a)home> wrote in message >> news:eWvTzNKwKHA.1692(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Anna, >>> >>> In response to your intitial post...you are correct on all accounts. I >>> should point out that my expression of the HDD being originally >>> formatted by myself is incorrect. I meant that the initial cloning >>> (which I assumed would include formatting) was seemingly ok. Only after >>> the new 80GB HDD would not boot did I run chkdsk and attempted to format >>> the HDD in order to wipe it clean and try again. > "Anna" <myname(a)myisp.net> wrote in message >> rc: >> So where are you now? >> The problem remains? >> And you're indicating that you repeated the disk-cloning operation with >> your Acronis program but always with the same results? >> If so, have you tried using the Casper disk-cloning program (trial >> version) that I mentioned in my last post? >> Anna "rc" <rc(a)home> wrote in message news:u%23eNcjtwKHA.732(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Anna, > > No I haven't and only because the trial version indicated that it would > not support volume resizing. The additonal space is my original reason > for the clone. I may just opt for the full version. I'm still a little > perplexed about the formatting. Sorry for the delay as I was away for a > few days. rc: While it is true that the trial version of the Casper 6 program contains that volume resizing limitation as I explained in my previous post describing that program, I really think (at the minimum) you should give it a try since there's virtually nothing to really lose by so doing. Since you've apparently had this ongoing problem using the Acronis disk-cloning program let's see if there's a similar failure using the Casper program. If there is, then you would know something is amiss with the HDD - either the source disk or the destination disk. (We'll rule out for the time being the possibility of both disks being defective.) And you have checked out both disks with the Hitachi HDD diagnostic utility, right? So what if the Casper disk-cloning operation completes successfully and creates a partition on the destination HDD (your 80 GB Hitachi) only large enough to contain the complete contents of your 20 GB HDD? What's the real harm here? At least you'll know that a successful disk-cloning operation can be achieved and you'll have a bootable functional HDD for the moment. And who knows? Should that happen you may even be enticed to purchase the licensed version of the Casper 6 program which, of course, does not have that volume resizing limitation. Anna
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